1913 dwm

Leed709 · 12-18-2018, 02:04 AM

Picked up 1913 DWM luger today. Took off both grips to clean surface rust off grip safety and a small spring fell out. Can't figure out how the spring goes or how to get the spring back in. A little help would be appreciated. A pic. of the correct way the spring fits would be nice. Thanks Leed709

DavidJayUden · 12-18-2018, 04:28 AM

There are a few possibilities, and a photo of the small spring that fell out would be very beneficial. If a photo is not possible give a detailed description, please.
dju

JTD · 12-18-2018, 07:01 AM

With few exceptions, the grip safety was gone after the 1906 model. Is this a small leaf spring that looks kinda like a comma? Or is it a coil? Comma may be the grip safe spring. Coil- trigger??? or it does not even belong, pics would really help here. Also, it may be the mag release button spring if it is a small leaf with an indent on one end.

DonVoigt · 12-18-2018, 07:46 AM

Welcome.
Please start with complete pictures of what you have, so we can ID the luger. Then a picture with the left grip off.

mrerick · 12-18-2018, 09:12 AM

You may find useful reference material in our forum's FAQ PDF document.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=13121

Leed709 · 12-18-2018, 05:29 PM

Sorry, guys not set up for pic. It is a 1913 DWM commerical luger with grip safety. Cal. 30 luger sn# 356. All parts match. The spring that came out is a wire like clip that fits on the back of grip safety. It is about 1 inch long. I looked in the PDFof old models and it is item #25

DonVoigt · 12-18-2018, 09:38 PM

How do you get to the date of 1913?
Commercial lugers are not dated.
Serial number 356 would be much earlier.

The grip safety spring fits in a "slot" on the frame and engages a boss on the back side of the safety.

DavidJayUden · 12-18-2018, 10:15 PM

Can someone enlighten me; Did 1913 P08's have grip safeties?
dju

HerrKaiser · 12-18-2018, 10:37 PM

Reasonably certain that one of the Imperial German Government’s requirements for adoption of both the P.04 and the P.08 was the elimination of the grip safety.

Ron Wood · 12-18-2018, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

Can someone enlighten me; Did 1913 P08's have grip safeties?
dju

Generally speaking, no. There is a very scarce variant, the "1913 Commercial", that has a grip safety and a stock lug in around the 70XXX-71XXX serial number range.
Ron

mrerick · 12-18-2018, 10:41 PM

Does it look like part number 28 on the Model 1908 P,08 parts page?

If so that is a flat leaf spring that keeps the magazine catch in place.

DonVoigt · 12-18-2018, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HerrKaiser

Reasonably certain that one of the Imperial German Government’s requirements for adoption of both the P.04 and the P.08 was the elimination of the grip safety.

You would be wrong about the Naval P04, it had a grip safety until 1916, or what collectors call the "1914 Navy".

HerrKaiser · 12-18-2018, 11:06 PM

Good to know, can’t say that I have seen any Navies dated before 1916 or that weren’t interwar commercial navies.

ithacaartist · 12-19-2018, 12:25 AM

If it were the mag release spring, the mag release would fall or push out easily. If it's the grip safety spring, the grip safety's main body would flop around/not rise from the grip frame.

Leed709 · 12-19-2018, 12:42 AM

thanks, Finally figured it out. Spring in place the right way and grip safety works great. I'm taking pic. as I go along cleaning this gun. I will try to learn to post pic as soon as I finish cleaning it.

Leed709 · 12-19-2018, 12:59 AM

Mr. Don Voigt asked how I came up with the date 1913 and Sn# 356. On top of receiver is the date 1913. The Sn#356 is stamped on front under the barrel also there is a small a stamped under Sn.

JTD · 12-19-2018, 07:09 AM

04 navy- grip safe
06 navy- grip safe
08 Navy- no grip safe.
dated navy- no grip safe

DavidJayUden · 12-19-2018, 07:36 AM

Please do post photos as it becomes possible.
Thanks!
dju

DonVoigt · 12-19-2018, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leed709

Mr. Don Voigt asked how I came up with the date 1913 and Sn# 356. On top of receiver is the date 1913. The Sn#356 is stamped on front under the barrel also there is a small a stamped under Sn.

Then it is not a commercial luger, and the serial number is 356a (the suffix is part of the serial number); but the pistol must be a constructed/re-numbered one.

Norme · 12-19-2018, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leed709

Mr. Don Voigt asked how I came up with the date 1913 and Sn# 356. On top of receiver is the date 1913. The Sn#356 is stamped on front under the barrel also there is a small a stamped under Sn.

Hi Leland,
Is the top half the same length as the frame or is it perhaps slightly shorter? You have a mixed parts gun for sure, pictures would be a great help.
Regards, Norm

12-18-2018, 02:04 AM	#1
Leed709 User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Centeral Texas Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 dwm Picked up 1913 DWM luger today. Took off both grips to clean surface rust off grip safety and a small spring fell out. Can't figure out how the spring goes or how to get the spring back in. A little help would be appreciated. A pic. of the correct way the spring fits would be nice. Thanks Leed709

12-18-2018, 07:46 AM	#4
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Welcome. Please start with complete pictures of what you have, so we can ID the luger. Then a picture with the left grip off. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

12-18-2018, 09:12 AM	#5
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	You may find useful reference material in our forum's FAQ PDF document. http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=13121 __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

12-18-2018, 05:29 PM	#6
Leed709 User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Centeral Texas Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 Commerical DWM Luger Sorry, guys not set up for pic. It is a 1913 DWM commerical luger with grip safety. Cal. 30 luger sn# 356. All parts match. The spring that came out is a wire like clip that fits on the back of grip safety. It is about 1 inch long. I looked in the PDFof old models and it is item #25

12-18-2018, 09:38 PM	#7
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	How do you get to the date of 1913? Commercial lugers are not dated. Serial number 356 would be much earlier. The grip safety spring fits in a "slot" on the frame and engages a boss on the back side of the safety. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

12-18-2018, 04:28 AM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	There are a few possibilities, and a photo of the small spring that fell out would be very beneficial. If a photo is not possible give a detailed description, please. dju

12-18-2018, 07:01 AM	#3
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 214 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	With few exceptions, the grip safety was gone after the 1906 model. Is this a small leaf spring that looks kinda like a comma? Or is it a coil? Comma may be the grip safe spring. Coil- trigger??? or it does not even belong, pics would really help here. Also, it may be the mag release button spring if it is a small leaf with an indent on one end.

12-18-2018, 10:15 PM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Can someone enlighten me; Did 1913 P08's have grip safeties? dju

12-18-2018, 10:37 PM	#9
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 800 Thanks: 750 Thanked 793 Times in 376 Posts	Reasonably certain that one of the Imperial German Government’s requirements for adoption of both the P.04 and the P.08 was the elimination of the grip safety. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

12-18-2018, 10:41 PM	#11
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Does it look like part number 28 on the Model 1908 P,08 parts page? If so that is a flat leaf spring that keeps the magazine catch in place. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

12-18-2018, 11:06 PM	#13
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 800 Thanks: 750 Thanked 793 Times in 376 Posts	Good to know, can’t say that I have seen any Navies dated before 1916 or that weren’t interwar commercial navies. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

12-19-2018, 12:25 AM	#14
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,282 Thanks: 7,007 Thanked 2,476 Times in 1,319 Posts	If it were the mag release spring, the mag release would fall or push out easily. If it's the grip safety spring, the grip safety's main body would flop around/not rise from the grip frame. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

12-19-2018, 12:42 AM	#15
Leed709 User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Centeral Texas Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks, Finally figured it out. Spring in place the right way and grip safety works great. I'm taking pic. as I go along cleaning this gun. I will try to learn to post pic as soon as I finish cleaning it.

12-19-2018, 12:59 AM	#16
Leed709 User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Centeral Texas Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1913 Commerical DWM Luger Mr. Don Voigt asked how I came up with the date 1913 and Sn# 356. On top of receiver is the date 1913. The Sn#356 is stamped on front under the barrel also there is a small a stamped under Sn.

12-19-2018, 07:09 AM	#17
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 214 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	04 navy- grip safe 06 navy- grip safe 08 Navy- no grip safe. dated navy- no grip safe

12-19-2018, 07:36 AM	#18
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Please do post photos as it becomes possible. Thanks! dju