Help on ID

Carl · 08-26-2003, 06:22 PM

This afternoon I looked at a 1914 DWM with this front grip marking WAFFENMSTR ALEY 1/72 This piece is a vet return, never been seen since it's return. Any ideas?

policeluger · 08-26-2003, 06:47 PM

I got an idea, send me your email address and I will send you photos of my 1914 DWM police, offered on Auction Arms right now and I would take $750 too stop auction. Has matched mag and great condition. Or log on too AA and view it for yourself.

Morris Gardner · 08-27-2003, 12:55 AM

GIZMOMANG@AOL.COM I'm interested in your Luger. Please send pics.

Thanks,

Morris Gardner

Lugerdoc · 08-27-2003, 09:19 AM

Carl, Your grip strap marking sounds more like an import's mark than a unit marking. Is it possible that someone sent it to John Martz to add his Safey Toggle Release (MSTR)? If so, pushing the safety lever down, would release the toggle from the held open position. TH

Carl · 08-27-2003, 04:48 PM

Tom,
This gun does not have the hold-open. A little background on the gun. The man who owns it is 83 years old. Many years ago he got it from his aunt who got it from her father. (the present owners great uncle) His aunt had it in her attic for over 50 years. It may seem like a tall dog story but I have no reason not to believe him. Other than it's age the gun looks like it was made yesterday.

Navy · 08-27-2003, 06:31 PM

Pictures of the markings would help a bunch!

Tom A.

Ron Wood · 08-27-2003, 06:53 PM

Carl,
When you say the gun does not have a hold-open, do you mean it is missing, or never had one?

Carl · 08-27-2003, 07:06 PM

Tom A.
Sorry I'm a blubbering idiot when it comes to computers. No scanner or digital camera.

Ron,
I don't have the gun with me but will check tomorrow.

Jeff Noll · 08-29-2003, 12:31 AM

Carl, In my opinion you have a privately purchased luger which the owner had his name stamped. "WAFFENMSTR ALEY" The "1/72" is a typical Weimar style marking. It translates to 1st Kompagnie, 72nd Infanterie-Regiment. This type of designation is also found on WWI era helmets I.D.s etc. I have one luger in my data base which is marked with the "/" which must be Imperial as it is "9/413.N.11." There were not 413 Infantry Regiments after WWI. Please send me the serial number if it is available. http://home.earthlink.net/~nopubl w/r Jeff

Carl · 08-31-2003, 10:29 AM

Ron Wood,
I was able to purchase tha 1914 Luger serial #8266b. Yes it does have the hold open. When I was able to stip it down a drop of oil allowed the hold-open to work. I believe WAFFENMSTR is Waffenmeister or armorer. The grip strap would then translate "armorer ALEY 1st company 72nd infantry regiment". In 50 years of picking (not gun shows) this is the nicest WWI Luger I have found.

08-26-2003, 06:22 PM	#1
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Help on ID This afternoon I looked at a 1914 DWM with this front grip marking WAFFENMSTR ALEY 1/72 This piece is a vet return, never been seen since it's return. Any ideas?

08-27-2003, 09:19 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Carl, Your grip strap marking sounds more like an import's mark than a unit marking. Is it possible that someone sent it to John Martz to add his Safey Toggle Release (MSTR)? If so, pushing the safety lever down, would release the toggle from the held open position. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-27-2003, 06:53 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	Carl, When you say the gun does not have a hold-open, do you mean it is missing, or never had one? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-26-2003, 06:47 PM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I got an idea, send me your email address and I will send you photos of my 1914 DWM police, offered on Auction Arms right now and I would take $750 too stop auction. Has matched mag and great condition. Or log on too AA and view it for yourself.

08-27-2003, 12:55 AM	#3
Morris Gardner User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	GIZMOMANG@AOL.COM I'm interested in your Luger. Please send pics. Thanks, Morris Gardner

08-27-2003, 04:48 PM	#5
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Tom, This gun does not have the hold-open. A little background on the gun. The man who owns it is 83 years old. Many years ago he got it from his aunt who got it from her father. (the present owners great uncle) His aunt had it in her attic for over 50 years. It may seem like a tall dog story but I have no reason not to believe him. Other than it's age the gun looks like it was made yesterday.

08-27-2003, 06:31 PM	#6
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Pictures of the markings would help a bunch! Tom A.

08-27-2003, 07:06 PM	#8
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Tom A. Sorry I'm a blubbering idiot when it comes to computers. No scanner or digital camera. Ron, I don't have the gun with me but will check tomorrow.

08-29-2003, 12:31 AM	#9
Jeff Noll User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 7 Posts	Carl, In my opinion you have a privately purchased luger which the owner had his name stamped. "WAFFENMSTR ALEY" The "1/72" is a typical Weimar style marking. It translates to 1st Kompagnie, 72nd Infanterie-Regiment. This type of designation is also found on WWI era helmets I.D.s etc. I have one luger in my data base which is marked with the "/" which must be Imperial as it is "9/413.N.11." There were not 413 Infantry Regiments after WWI. Please send me the serial number if it is available. http://home.earthlink.net/~nopubl w/r Jeff

08-31-2003, 10:29 AM	#10
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Ron Wood, I was able to purchase tha 1914 Luger serial #8266b. Yes it does have the hold open. When I was able to stip it down a drop of oil allowed the hold-open to work. I believe WAFFENMSTR is Waffenmeister or armorer. The grip strap would then translate "armorer ALEY 1st company 72nd infantry regiment". In 50 years of picking (not gun shows) this is the nicest WWI Luger I have found.