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I ran across this poor old box of Remington .30 Luger ammo at a local gun shop. I think it's from the 20's or 30's but honestly not sure. It's old enough that they're touting smokeless powder and non-corrosive priming like recent innovations...
The box is pretty rough but the one end flap is mostly intact and the message on it gave me pause: "WARNING MUST NOT BE USED IN LUGER CARBINE." The wording almost makes it sound dangerous to use this ammo in a carbine. Everything I have read says that the carbines needed ammunition that was MORE powerful than the run-of-the-mill stuff to function properly. Maybe this is just a case of Remington misinterpreting the need for "special" ammo for Luger carbines? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. -Jason |
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Everything you wanted to know about Remington ammo boxes but were afraid to ask
![]() https://cartridgecollectors.org/docu...-Box-Dates.pdf Your looking @ 1946-1960 date.
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Except for being a .30 Mauser box, I have one that is identical and in much better condition. My father and I bought a Broomhandle Mauser in the mid-1950's and he bought the cartridges then. There are only a few left in the box that I inherited.
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Thank you gentlemen for the info. I don't officially collect ammo (yet...) but couldn't pass this up. It's a full box and the price was less than they were asking for a box of "cheap" 9mm practice ammo! I'm honestly kind of surprised that the carbine was still relevant enough post-WW2 to warrant a warning...
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Perhaps this ammunition is not powerful enough to cycle the action AND push the bullet fully out of the carbine barrel...
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When my father and I purchased our first Luger in the mid-1950's, we ordered surplus cartridges from Ye Old Hunter; non-corrosive WW2 Winchester at $5.00 per hundred. Later he had Shipley's Sporting Goods in Frederick, MD, order a box of commercial 9mm; hardball. I think it was Remington but won't swear to it. The great popularity of 9mm today is the direct opposite of the situation 50 or 60 years ago. |
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I hadn't considered that. I wouldn't think cycling the action of a carbine vs. a pistol would "take up" enough energy to lodge the bullet in the barrel. If this ammo can make it through a standard 4 3/4 inch barrel but not a 12 inch barrel, it must not be very powerful...
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My experience with "old" .30 luger, from the 60s timeframe, is that Winchester, Remington, and Peters are all too weak to function a normally sprung luger.
PPU and some batches of Fiocchi will function my shooters, but not all lots of Fiocchi will.
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I'm wondering what the cut-off date might be. I have several .30 Luger shooters that function with any brand or vintage of ammo with no problem, the US made ammo--Remington and Winchester--included, although I have yet to acquire any old Peters. I might have used up one of the old green Remington Kleanbore boxes of ammo in the mix, and if so, it did fine. Did American makers change the powder/charge spec at some point?
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Some old ammo boxes. One for the Reichsrevolver, and the other for the C.04, the original Carbine designation of the P.04 Navy.
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Weaker spring is more likely to function. I have no idea if any mfg. changed their loading or not.
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Nice bullets Mike. Love the conical rounds... John
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