single date 1920 value/where it came from?

JRILEYNJ · 08-18-2013, 11:01 PM

1920 luger only 1 date all numbers match. Not sure value or where it came from. Any Help would be greatly appreciated. Inherited recently from my neighbor. (Polish neighbor) maybe came from poland
http://forum.lugerforum.com/album.php?albumid=530
Pics in my album trying to post

DavidJayUden · 08-18-2013, 11:27 PM

Made by DWM, 9mm, for the police force. Appears to have both the sear safety and the mag. safety. Others will be able to tell you more on the grip frame markings, but it looks very nice. Maybe in the ballpark of $1400 if its all matching in and out?
These are for sort of a specialized collector market.
dju

schnurrbart · 08-18-2013, 11:46 PM

Reichswehr

Ron Wood · 08-19-2013, 12:12 AM

Very nice Luger. I will take a wild guess that it is for the Schutzpolizei Bremen, but I really hope Don Maus will step in and give a more authoritative answer.

mdrumbore · 08-19-2013, 06:52 AM

Going by Don's book it looks like Schutzpolizei Breslau main garrison weapon number 652. If I am correct in seeing S.Br.I.652.

JRILEYNJ · 08-19-2013, 07:21 AM

I have a range day coming up this week for work (Police). Going to shoot our Glocks and M'4s. Is it a good thing or bad thing to fire off a couple rounds from the Luger. My plans so far are to hold on to it. Looks great inside so I believe it is safe to fire. Would I help or hurt the value to know that it is operational?

Ice · 08-19-2013, 07:45 AM

You can shoot your all matching number luger but be aware that if a numbered part breaks, you will have reduced its value by at least half. I would keep it in unfired condition and get a parts/shooter luger for fun. Your pistol is about 90 years old and matching replacement parts are just about unavailable.

Charlie

DavidJayUden · 08-19-2013, 07:46 AM

Nice to know it works but to a real collector it probably means little.
Bad to have a numbered part break (and they do) during firing and cost you half the gun's value.
Ultimately your decision as to whether to roll those dice.
dju

JRILEYNJ · 08-19-2013, 07:58 AM

May just store it. Maybe a display case or something. Will have fun enough with the other weapons. I'll let this old timer rest.
Thank you guys so much for your help, very interesting.
It pays to be a good neighbor I guess.

JRILEYNJ · 08-19-2013, 08:11 AM

http://forum.lugerforum.com/picture....pictureid=2688
Lastly this is a pic of the holster. Just to confirm what I think. This in not even a luger holster (it fits). No markings. Just a generic holster?

lugerholsterrepair · 08-19-2013, 10:26 AM

High power holster

Don M · 08-19-2013, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdrumbore

Going by Don's book it looks like Schutzpolizei Breslau main garrison weapon number 652. If I am correct in seeing S.Br.I.652.

Breslau is correct. The Bremen Schupo used S.P.Bn. or SP.Bn. The gun is yet another of the puzzling 1920-dated DWMs with an "n" suffix.

Geo99 · 08-20-2013, 09:55 PM

Very nice gun - looks to be in excellent condition. I would shoot it once but that's just me. Whatever you do don't use the wood bottom magazine. In fact, you should probably unload that wood bottom mag before the bottom cracks.

I have not seen those particular inspector proofs before - does anyone know what they are?

- Geo

Don M · 08-20-2013, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geo99

I have not seen those particular inspector proofs before - does anyone know what they are?

Those are the stamps of the Ausrüstungsamt (government procurement office) ArA4 which was formed after WWI. In 1921, it was renamed Waffenamt 4 and the stamps were replaced with an eagle over WaA4. They were used only for a short period of time and, to my knowledge, used only on 1920 and some 1921 dated DWM P08s.

Sergio Natali · 08-21-2013, 12:59 PM

I love going to the range especially with my GLOCK 19 GLOCK 23 also because I 'm aware that if by pure chance something goes wrong wouldn't be a big issue. I agreee that if a numbered part of your LUGER breaks, you will have reduced its value by an awful lot, listen to me, do not take any risk and keep it immaculate.

alvin · 08-21-2013, 05:41 PM

I am totally lost.

So, was gun with n suffix made in 1920 ?? In that case, my Luger was also made in 1920 (I wrongly thought it was made around 1923 in the past).

Or, is n-series with 1920 chamber date unrelated with mine (the chamber on my instance is blank, no year),,, a separate series ??

Don M · 08-21-2013, 08:37 PM

Alvin, you are correct that your gun, with an "n" suffix but without a chamber date, was made in 1923 as a commercial. John's gun, with an "n" suffix and with a 1920 chamber date, was made in 1920 under a contract for military and police P08s. They are separate series. The 1920-dated n-suffix pistols are a bit of a puzzle.

08-18-2013, 11:01 PM	#1
JRILEYNJ User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 9 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	single date 1920 value/where it came from? 1920 luger only 1 date all numbers match. Not sure value or where it came from. Any Help would be greatly appreciated. Inherited recently from my neighbor. (Polish neighbor) maybe came from poland http://forum.lugerforum.com/album.php?albumid=530 Pics in my album trying to post

08-19-2013, 12:12 AM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	Very nice Luger. I will take a wild guess that it is for the Schutzpolizei Bremen, but I really hope Don Maus will step in and give a more authoritative answer. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-19-2013, 10:26 AM	#11
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08-20-2013, 09:55 PM	#13
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	Very nice gun - looks to be in excellent condition. I would shoot it once but that's just me. Whatever you do don't use the wood bottom magazine. In fact, you should probably unload that wood bottom mag before the bottom cracks. I have not seen those particular inspector proofs before - does anyone know what they are? - Geo __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

08-21-2013, 05:41 PM	#16
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I am totally lost. So, was gun with n suffix made in 1920 ?? In that case, my Luger was also made in 1920 (I wrongly thought it was made around 1923 in the past). Or, is n-series with 1920 chamber date unrelated with mine (the chamber on my instance is blank, no year),,, a separate series ?? Attached Thumbnails

08-18-2013, 11:27 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Made by DWM, 9mm, for the police force. Appears to have both the sear safety and the mag. safety. Others will be able to tell you more on the grip frame markings, but it looks very nice. Maybe in the ballpark of $1400 if its all matching in and out? These are for sort of a specialized collector market. dju

08-18-2013, 11:46 PM	#3
schnurrbart User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 45 Thanks: 11 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Reichswehr

08-19-2013, 06:52 AM	#5
mdrumbore User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 51 Thanks: 7 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	Going by Don's book it looks like Schutzpolizei Breslau main garrison weapon number 652. If I am correct in seeing S.Br.I.652.

08-19-2013, 07:21 AM	#6
JRILEYNJ User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 9 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have a range day coming up this week for work (Police). Going to shoot our Glocks and M'4s. Is it a good thing or bad thing to fire off a couple rounds from the Luger. My plans so far are to hold on to it. Looks great inside so I believe it is safe to fire. Would I help or hurt the value to know that it is operational?

08-19-2013, 07:45 AM	#7
Ice User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 552 Thanks: 13 Thanked 69 Times in 57 Posts	You can shoot your all matching number luger but be aware that if a numbered part breaks, you will have reduced its value by at least half. I would keep it in unfired condition and get a parts/shooter luger for fun. Your pistol is about 90 years old and matching replacement parts are just about unavailable. Charlie

08-19-2013, 07:46 AM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Nice to know it works but to a real collector it probably means little. Bad to have a numbered part break (and they do) during firing and cost you half the gun's value. Ultimately your decision as to whether to roll those dice. dju

08-19-2013, 07:58 AM	#9
JRILEYNJ User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 9 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	May just store it. Maybe a display case or something. Will have fun enough with the other weapons. I'll let this old timer rest. Thank you guys so much for your help, very interesting. It pays to be a good neighbor I guess.

08-19-2013, 08:11 AM	#10
JRILEYNJ User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 9 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	http://forum.lugerforum.com/picture....pictureid=2688 Lastly this is a pic of the holster. Just to confirm what I think. This in not even a luger holster (it fits). No markings. Just a generic holster?

08-21-2013, 12:59 PM	#15
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I love going to the range especially with my GLOCK 19 GLOCK 23 also because I 'm aware that if by pure chance something goes wrong wouldn't be a big issue. I agreee that if a numbered part of your LUGER breaks, you will have reduced its value by an awful lot, listen to me, do not take any risk and keep it immaculate.

08-21-2013, 08:37 PM	#17
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Alvin, you are correct that your gun, with an "n" suffix but without a chamber date, was made in 1923 as a commercial. John's gun, with an "n" suffix and with a 1920 chamber date, was made in 1920 under a contract for military and police P08s. They are separate series. The 1920-dated n-suffix pistols are a bit of a puzzle. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com