Simson Luger

Mike Fitz · 12-13-2005, 04:34 PM

Hello all,
I recently found this Simson & Co. Suhl Luger at a local gun shop.
The shop owner said it was a vet bringback and the the vet's grandson traded it in on a black powder hunting rifle.
Serial number is 8699 and that number is found on the left receiver, front of the frame and bottom of the barrel. There is no suffix.
Condition is approx 90% original rust blue finish with normal holster wear confined to the high points, muzzle and front and rear grip straps. There is no rust or pitting and the bore is clean and shiny. Rifling is excellent.
Strawing on locking bolt, magazine release and safety lever is about 90%.
There is no date on the top of the chamber.
Just about all of the small parts are numbered 99 along with waffenamt DE/6.
The rear toggle pin is un-numbered and has no waffenamt.
The coupling link is marked DE/6 but is un-numbered.
Firing pin is fluted and is marked 99 and DE/6.
The firing pin spring retainer is marked D/E6 but is not numbered.
Inside of the side plate is the number 6 (or 9) and waffenamt DE/6.
There is a letter U stamped on the left side of the frame above the trigger group that is visible when the side plate is removed.
Front of trigger guard has 2 DE/6 proofs stacked (1 small 1 large)
Forward right side of receiver has a small and a large DE/6 stacked, followed by DE/33, DE/6 and then an eagle design.
The same eagle design is found on the right side of the barrel.
Right side of the barrel has bot a small and large DE/6.
Bottom of barrel in addition to the serial number is marked 8,83.
The wooden grips are numbered to the gun (full serial number. The grip screws are proofed DE/6.
Unfortunately the only magazine that it came with is a Mauser Code 122 E/37 un-numbered magazine. Only marking on base of magazine is a second E/37 proof.
There was no holster, loading tool or spare magazine with it.
I know absolutely nothing about Simson lugers and there is nothing about them in Still's Third Reich Lugers and very little in the same authors Axis Pistols so any information / input would be appreciated.
Does anyone know approximately when this pistol was produced?
I have included some pictures of it and apologize for the poor quality.
Thanks,
Mike

Mike Fitz · 12-13-2005, 06:35 PM

Sorry about that, got knocked off line.

Mike Fitz · 12-13-2005, 06:42 PM

I give up!!!

Edward Tinker · 12-13-2005, 07:25 PM

no, Mike you did fine, to make them show you have to either choose the IMG or write that in. I fixed it for you. As you can see, i am collecting data, can I borrow your info and pictures?

You are doing good, I now have three simson's, all Simson & Co, there are also S toggle, but much fewer of them made.

Ed

Edward Tinker · 12-13-2005, 07:33 PM

Quote:

There is a letter U stamped on the left side of the frame above the trigger group that is visible when the side plate is removed.

This is interesting, one of mine has an S if I remember right?

What is stamped on the bottom of the stock lug, I am guessing E/33 E/33 (eagle/33)

Mike Fitz · 12-13-2005, 08:49 PM

Hi Ed,

Thanks for making my jpg's viewable. Frustrating!!

The proof marks under the stock lug appear to be 2 DE/6 proofs, side by side.

By all means feel free to use the jpg's and info in your research.

Regards,

Mike

12-13-2005, 04:34 PM	#1
Mike Fitz User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Leonia, NJ Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Simson Luger Hello all, I recently found this Simson & Co. Suhl Luger at a local gun shop. The shop owner said it was a vet bringback and the the vet's grandson traded it in on a black powder hunting rifle. Serial number is 8699 and that number is found on the left receiver, front of the frame and bottom of the barrel. There is no suffix. Condition is approx 90% original rust blue finish with normal holster wear confined to the high points, muzzle and front and rear grip straps. There is no rust or pitting and the bore is clean and shiny. Rifling is excellent. Strawing on locking bolt, magazine release and safety lever is about 90%. There is no date on the top of the chamber. Just about all of the small parts are numbered 99 along with waffenamt DE/6. The rear toggle pin is un-numbered and has no waffenamt. The coupling link is marked DE/6 but is un-numbered. Firing pin is fluted and is marked 99 and DE/6. The firing pin spring retainer is marked D/E6 but is not numbered. Inside of the side plate is the number 6 (or 9) and waffenamt DE/6. There is a letter U stamped on the left side of the frame above the trigger group that is visible when the side plate is removed. Front of trigger guard has 2 DE/6 proofs stacked (1 small 1 large) Forward right side of receiver has a small and a large DE/6 stacked, followed by DE/33, DE/6 and then an eagle design. The same eagle design is found on the right side of the barrel. Right side of the barrel has bot a small and large DE/6. Bottom of barrel in addition to the serial number is marked 8,83. The wooden grips are numbered to the gun (full serial number. The grip screws are proofed DE/6. Unfortunately the only magazine that it came with is a Mauser Code 122 E/37 un-numbered magazine. Only marking on base of magazine is a second E/37 proof. There was no holster, loading tool or spare magazine with it. I know absolutely nothing about Simson lugers and there is nothing about them in Still's Third Reich Lugers and very little in the same authors Axis Pistols so any information / input would be appreciated. Does anyone know approximately when this pistol was produced? I have included some pictures of it and apologize for the poor quality. Thanks, Mike Attached Thumbnails

12-13-2005, 06:35 PM	#2
Mike Fitz User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Leonia, NJ Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Simson Luger Continued / Photo's Sorry about that, got knocked off line.

12-13-2005, 07:25 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,917 Thanks: 1,997 Thanked 4,508 Times in 2,082 Posts	no, Mike you did fine, to make them show you have to either choose the IMG or write that in. I fixed it for you. As you can see, i am collecting data, can I borrow your info and pictures? You are doing good, I now have three simson's, all Simson & Co, there are also S toggle, but much fewer of them made. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-13-2005, 06:42 PM	#3
Mike Fitz User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Leonia, NJ Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I give up!!!

12-13-2005, 08:49 PM	#6
Mike Fitz User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Leonia, NJ Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Ed, Thanks for making my jpg's viewable. Frustrating!! The proof marks under the stock lug appear to be 2 DE/6 proofs, side by side. By all means feel free to use the jpg's and info in your research. Regards, Mike