new interarms luger

bigbill · 04-02-2004, 06:00 PM

pictures of the new in box interarms luger
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Vlim · 04-02-2004, 06:32 PM

Hi Bill,

Nice one! I got my project parabellum today as well. Here's the image.

A nice opportunity to compare packaging and other details.

bigbill · 04-03-2004, 08:47 AM

Thanks for your response and picture. What year was yours made?? Your box say Mauser Werke, while mine says Interarms, and my cleaning rod does not have a bore brush. Also, what caliber is yours? and is it NIB.

mauro · 04-03-2004, 09:10 AM

Hello guys,
well done. Very beautiful Mauser Parabellum.
I have few Mauser Commemoratives and I am very proud of them (look at my web site to see my LP08 commemorative).
I suggest to move this topic under post WWII.
Ciao
Mauro

Lugerdoc · 04-07-2004, 09:21 AM

BB, The Mauser Parabellums not destine for the US market will not say Interarms. They will also usually also have proofs of the Oberdorf proof house rather than the inhouse Mauser proofing and sometime will be in a box with Green printing, rather than the usual blue. TH

Vlim · 04-07-2004, 10:24 AM

Hi Bill,

Although mine has most hallmarks of the 06/73 version it was proofed in 1972 and is one of the early hybrid versions in 7.65mm calibre. Serial number 10.0004187, 4187 being mentioned on the warranty seal and both sides of the box.

Funnily enough it came with a 9mm manual and a green rather than blue Mauser warranty seal.

Since this gun was destined for the German market, it has a German box and warranty seal.

Proof is a 1972 ('72') Ulm staghorn proofhouse code on the frame above the takedown lever, with the eagle/N postwar German fire proof on frame, receiver and barrel. After 1973 they switched to letter date codes. I'm curious how and where yours was proofed.

The barrel has the ".30 luger" designation on top (surprisingly not 7.65 as is common in Germany).

This gun has spent almost 25 years in it's box and was sold and used in the late nineties.

LU1900 · 04-08-2004, 08:45 AM

Hello alls ,mine is also proofed 72 for 1972 and number 10.0003260 it seems same than G.van Vlimmeren .I bought it without the box ,lost by the previous owner

bigbill · 04-12-2004, 12:25 PM

my markings are as follows: 9mm Luger on top of barrel;followed by a small mauser banner with letters FBM in the mauser banner symbol; American Eagle symbol on front of receiver and "original" in script on top of Mauser banner on toggle.
right side of frame has serial #11.013728 on lower receiver and same on top part of slide along with a starburst symbol and "INTERARMS"
"ALEXANDRIA,VIRGINIA".
left side has same mauser banner symbol with letters FBM in the symbol
MADE IN GERMANY on back of receiver
MAUSER-WERKE A.G.Oberndorf a.N. on front of grip handle.
these are all the marks i can see without taking it apart. there are no numbers indicating year.

Vlim · 04-12-2004, 01:13 PM

Hi,

FBM probably stands for 'Freiwilliger Beschuss' and 'Vorbeschuss' and means that this gun needed no proofing according to German laws (as it was an export piece), but that it was offered for testfiring voluntarily by Mauser.

These marks can also be found separately in the following forms:

Eagle/FB (Freiwilliger Beschuss -- Voluntary testfiring)
Eagle/M (Vorbeschuss -- Tested before finishing)

Guns destined for the German/European market had the German Eagle/N (Nitro Beschuss -- Nitro proof) mark.

bigbill · 04-12-2004, 01:50 PM

thanks very much for your fast responce.
The gun looks like it was never fired, except for the original target from the factory.
But I do not buy my guns just to look at. This beauty will be at the range shortly, along with my 2 artillery, a Stoeger stainless steel and my other navy luger. I like to shoot all my guns.
That is what they were made for.

mauro · 04-12-2004, 03:04 PM

Hello guys,
Only to clarify a point that maybe is not clear to all.

The .30 Luger Parabellum has serial numbers starting with 10. the 9mm Para has serial numbers starting with 11.
I hope this helps.
Ciao

Vlim · 04-14-2004, 08:49 AM

Hi Mauro,

John Walter also stated that 'official' production began at 10.0001001 and 11.0001001. Is there any later info on total Mauser postwar production?

I believe production was never more than some 25,000 pieces?

This creates some intrigueing questions. A total number of approx. 5,070 7.65mm lugers is mentioned by 1985.

My 7,65 has number 4,187 and was produced in 1972. and that leaves some 2,000 pieces between 1972 and 1985...

Annual output must've been quite low.

tulsamal · 04-23-2004, 02:34 PM

I know a gunstore that has two of those for sale. Brand new and in the same styrofoam cutout box. The owner took them in a trade years ago and they have been sitting in his glass case ever since. I had him get one out to let me hold it one day and it definitely had the "brand new" look and feel. One is in 9mm and one in .30.

I never really considered buying one or both because I had no real idea what value was. What would one of these typically go for today?

Thanks,

Gregg

Vlim · 04-23-2004, 02:59 PM

Hi Gregg,

The plain ones (so not the 'limited production' ones) should fetch prices along the line of good shooter-grade lugers.

I purchased one for about the same price as a refurbished 1937 S/42.

I'd say some 600 - 700 USD or 1000 - 1200 EUR.

mauro · 04-23-2004, 03:38 PM

Gerben,
I have a .30luger Mauser Parabellum numbered 56xx made in 1986. Your estimation is quite correct. An average of about 100 pistols per year in the 1972-1986 epoch.
A very limited production so a good investment.
Ciao
Mauro

Sieger · 04-23-2004, 10:29 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tulsamal:
I know a gunstore that has two of those for sale. Brand new and in the same styrofoam cutout box. The owner took them in a trade years ago and they have been sitting in his glass case ever since. I had him get one out to let me hold it one day and it definitely had the "brand new" look and feel. One is in 9mm and one in .30.

I never really considered buying one or both because I had no real idea what value was. What would one of these typically go for today?

Thanks,

Gregg<hr /></blockquote>Gregg:

I'd like to buy both of them from him. Any chance?

Sieger

Sieger · 04-23-2004, 10:29 PM

Arminius · 05-12-2004, 03:20 PM

Hi!

Mine is in the same white / green cardboard box with styrofoam inside. Serial Number is 14602, with 11 before for 9 mm. Barrel is 4". Gun is new. On box it says "Original Mauser Parabellum" and nothing else on the right lower side on top!

Test target and blue booklet included. There is a mistake in the order of disassembling: on p 22 lower instructions belong on page 20, lower place.

Gun ( with that &%Ã?Â§*' grip safety ) with two mags, both stamped with Mauser ton on backside, one with imitation wooden bottom.

Cleaning rod and tool were missing, will buy them from CDS, Germany.

Could somebody please tell me, if its possible for me to remove the grip safety, without permanently altering gun?

Would like to buy the same gun, either in 9 mm, with 6" bbl, or in 7,65 with 4 3/4" barrel, even if I have to spend more than Ã¢?Â¬ 415...

Good shooting, Hermann

Vlim · 05-14-2004, 10:30 AM

Hi Hermann,

You can opt to remove the smalll leafspring in the frame that pushes the grip safety outwards.

This spring is very tight when new and needs a lot of use to soften up. I replaced the spring on a 1906-model some time ago and it took a few weeks to get it softened up.

So feel comfortable that it will get better when in use.

Mike Burley · 09-22-2004, 02:08 PM

Hello all,

Brand new member here - first post. I just bought my first Luger (Mauser Parabellum) at a gun show two weeks ago. It's in excellent condition with all of the accessories, but no original box. I haven't fired it yet, but am looking forward to it. It's an Interarms model ser. #11. 006844. Any one know the date of manufacture?

04-03-2004, 09:10 AM	#4
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hello guys, well done. Very beautiful Mauser Parabellum. I have few Mauser Commemoratives and I am very proud of them (look at my web site to see my LP08 commemorative). I suggest to move this topic under post WWII. Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

04-07-2004, 09:21 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	BB, The Mauser Parabellums not destine for the US market will not say Interarms. They will also usually also have proofs of the Oberdorf proof house rather than the inhouse Mauser proofing and sometime will be in a box with Green printing, rather than the usual blue. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

04-08-2004, 08:45 AM	#7
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 900 Thanks: 35 Thanked 461 Times in 193 Posts	Hello alls ,mine is also proofed 72 for 1972 and number 10.0003260 it seems same than G.van Vlimmeren .I bought it without the box ,lost by the previous owner __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

04-23-2004, 03:38 PM	#15
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Gerben, I have a .30luger Mauser Parabellum numbered 56xx made in 1986. Your estimation is quite correct. An average of about 100 pistols per year in the 1972-1986 epoch. A very limited production so a good investment. Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

04-23-2004, 10:29 PM	#16
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by tulsamal: <strong>I know a gunstore that has two of those for sale. Brand new and in the same styrofoam cutout box. The owner took them in a trade years ago and they have been sitting in his glass case ever since. I had him get one out to let me hold it one day and it definitely had the "brand new" look and feel. One is in 9mm and one in .30. I never really considered buying one or both because I had no real idea what value was. What would one of these typically go for today? Thanks, Gregg</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Gregg: I'd like to buy both of them from him. Any chance? Sieger

04-02-2004, 06:00 PM	#1
bigbill User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: kitchener,ontario, canada Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	new interarms luger pictures of the new in box interarms luger <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/noels_party_065_copy1.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/noels_party_065_copy1.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/noels_party_066_copy1.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/noels_party_066_copy1.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/noels_party_067_copy1.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/noels_party_067_copy1.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/noels_party_068_copy1.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/noels_party_068_copy1.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/noels_party_069_copy1.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/noels_party_069_copy1.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

04-02-2004, 06:32 PM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Hi Bill, Nice one! I got my project parabellum today as well. Here's the image. A nice opportunity to compare packaging and other details.

04-03-2004, 08:47 AM	#3
bigbill User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: kitchener,ontario, canada Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for your response and picture. What year was yours made?? Your box say Mauser Werke, while mine says Interarms, and my cleaning rod does not have a bore brush. Also, what caliber is yours? and is it NIB.

04-07-2004, 10:24 AM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Hi Bill, Although mine has most hallmarks of the 06/73 version it was proofed in 1972 and is one of the early hybrid versions in 7.65mm calibre. Serial number 10.0004187, 4187 being mentioned on the warranty seal and both sides of the box. Funnily enough it came with a 9mm manual and a green rather than blue Mauser warranty seal. Since this gun was destined for the German market, it has a German box and warranty seal. Proof is a 1972 ('72') Ulm staghorn proofhouse code on the frame above the takedown lever, with the eagle/N postwar German fire proof on frame, receiver and barrel. After 1973 they switched to letter date codes. I'm curious how and where yours was proofed. The barrel has the ".30 luger" designation on top (surprisingly not 7.65 as is common in Germany). This gun has spent almost 25 years in it's box and was sold and used in the late nineties.

04-12-2004, 12:25 PM	#8
bigbill User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: kitchener,ontario, canada Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	my markings are as follows: 9mm Luger on top of barrel;followed by a small mauser banner with letters FBM in the mauser banner symbol; American Eagle symbol on front of receiver and "original" in script on top of Mauser banner on toggle. right side of frame has serial #11.013728 on lower receiver and same on top part of slide along with a starburst symbol and "INTERARMS" "ALEXANDRIA,VIRGINIA". left side has same mauser banner symbol with letters FBM in the symbol MADE IN GERMANY on back of receiver MAUSER-WERKE A.G.Oberndorf a.N. on front of grip handle. these are all the marks i can see without taking it apart. there are no numbers indicating year.

04-12-2004, 01:13 PM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Hi, FBM probably stands for 'Freiwilliger Beschuss' and 'Vorbeschuss' and means that this gun needed no proofing according to German laws (as it was an export piece), but that it was offered for testfiring voluntarily by Mauser. These marks can also be found separately in the following forms: Eagle/FB (Freiwilliger Beschuss -- Voluntary testfiring) Eagle/M (Vorbeschuss -- Tested before finishing) Guns destined for the German/European market had the German Eagle/N (Nitro Beschuss -- Nitro proof) mark.

04-12-2004, 01:50 PM	#10
bigbill User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: kitchener,ontario, canada Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks very much for your fast responce. The gun looks like it was never fired, except for the original target from the factory. But I do not buy my guns just to look at. This beauty will be at the range shortly, along with my 2 artillery, a Stoeger stainless steel and my other navy luger. I like to shoot all my guns. That is what they were made for.

04-12-2004, 03:04 PM	#11
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hello guys, Only to clarify a point that maybe is not clear to all. The .30 Luger Parabellum has serial numbers starting with 10. the 9mm Para has serial numbers starting with 11. I hope this helps. Ciao __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

04-14-2004, 08:49 AM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Hi Mauro, John Walter also stated that 'official' production began at 10.0001001 and 11.0001001. Is there any later info on total Mauser postwar production? I believe production was never more than some 25,000 pieces? This creates some intrigueing questions. A total number of approx. 5,070 7.65mm lugers is mentioned by 1985. My 7,65 has number 4,187 and was produced in 1972. and that leaves some 2,000 pieces between 1972 and 1985... Annual output must've been quite low.

04-23-2004, 02:34 PM	#13
tulsamal New User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Vinita, OK Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I know a gunstore that has two of those for sale. Brand new and in the same styrofoam cutout box. The owner took them in a trade years ago and they have been sitting in his glass case ever since. I had him get one out to let me hold it one day and it definitely had the "brand new" look and feel. One is in 9mm and one in .30. I never really considered buying one or both because I had no real idea what value was. What would one of these typically go for today? Thanks, Gregg

04-23-2004, 02:59 PM	#14
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Hi Gregg, The plain ones (so not the 'limited production' ones) should fetch prices along the line of good shooter-grade lugers. I purchased one for about the same price as a refurbished 1937 S/42. I'd say some 600 - 700 USD or 1000 - 1200 EUR.

05-12-2004, 03:20 PM	#18
Arminius User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austria Posts: 48 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Hi! Mine is in the same white / green cardboard box with styrofoam inside. Serial Number is 14602, with 11 before for 9 mm. Barrel is 4". Gun is new. On box it says "Original Mauser Parabellum" and nothing else on the right lower side on top! Test target and blue booklet included. There is a mistake in the order of disassembling: on p 22 lower instructions belong on page 20, lower place. Gun ( with that &%Ã?Â§*' grip safety ) with two mags, both stamped with Mauser ton on backside, one with imitation wooden bottom. Cleaning rod and tool were missing, will buy them from CDS, Germany. Could somebody please tell me, if its possible for me to remove the grip safety, without permanently altering gun? Would like to buy the same gun, either in 9 mm, with 6" bbl, or in 7,65 with 4 3/4" barrel, even if I have to spend more than Ã¢?Â¬ 415... Good shooting, Hermann

05-14-2004, 10:30 AM	#19
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Hi Hermann, You can opt to remove the smalll leafspring in the frame that pushes the grip safety outwards. This spring is very tight when new and needs a lot of use to soften up. I replaced the spring on a 1906-model some time ago and it took a few weeks to get it softened up. So feel comfortable that it will get better when in use.

09-22-2004, 02:08 PM	#20
Mike Burley New User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello all, Brand new member here - first post. I just bought my first Luger (Mauser Parabellum) at a gun show two weeks ago. It's in excellent condition with all of the accessories, but no original box. I haven't fired it yet, but am looking forward to it. It's an Interarms model ser. #11. 006844. Any one know the date of manufacture?