New collector question - Page 2

gsonnenmd · 06-28-2005, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve71
Ed,

Can a guy switch the safety on a Colt? If so, I'll have to take a hard look at them. I do however want a Colt just to have a piece of history.
Steve

Steve,

There are numerous Colt 1911 clones (Springfield, Kimber, Wilson, etc...) that are available with ambidexterous safeties. As an alternative, any competent pistol smith should be able to install an ambi-safety on a 1911. It's a very popular aftermarket accessory.

I've been "into" 1911 collecting for 14 years. They are wonderful pieces of American History. Like potato chips (or Lugers for that matter), "once you've had one, you just can't stop."

Greg

Sieger · 06-28-2005, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Herb
It's possible that Simpson has mis-interpreted the C&R listing and is in fact selling them as such.

Herb:

I guess I'll have to question the situation further, and will certainly NOT buy an item if it isn't specifically on the list.

Thanks!

Sieger

Edward Tinker · 06-28-2005, 08:12 PM

I retired as a 20-yr MP, multi-purpose as well as Military Police, carried and shot the 1911 for many years, then the M9 Berreta, both fine, I just like the 45 ACP better if my life depends on it, although bullet placement is far more important than the whoosh of a 45 going past

Edward Tinker · 06-28-2005, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Herb
It's possible that Simpson has mis-interpreted the C&R listing and is in fact selling them as such.

I have been told, and I interpreted the listing of C&R that all the Interarms Lugers were covered...

As I thought this covered them all (as Stymie stated):

Luger, Mauser Parabellum, semiautomatic pistol, 7.65mm or 9mm Luger, 4 and 6" barrel, Swiss pattern with grip safety and the American Eagle stamped on the receiver; made from 1970 to 1978.

As the AE model is NOT a swiss model, so it covers the 4 and 6 inch barrel.

It covers the models from 1970-1978, and the commeratives are covered sep.

Ed

Sieger · 06-28-2005, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Edward Tinker
I have been told, and I interpreted the listing of C&R that all the Interarms Lugers were covered...

As I thought this covered them all (as Stymie stated):

Luger, Mauser Parabellum, semiautomatic pistol, 7.65mm or 9mm Luger, 4 and 6" barrel, Swiss pattern with grip safety and the American Eagle stamped on the receiver; made from 1970 to 1978.

As the AE model is NOT a swiss model, so it covers the 4 and 6 inch barrel.

It covers the models from 1970-1978, and the commeratives are covered sep.

Ed

Ed:

Looking at the legal construction of the sentence, the comma and semi-colon would appear to mean "and" not "or".

P-08 frame pistols that are not commemoratives are clearly not listed anywhere.

The confusion continues.

Sieger

Steve71 · 06-28-2005, 11:34 PM

Greg,

Thanks for the information on the safety. I've always known that the 1911 was an awesome gun, but I was afraid to go there for fear that I would love it. It's kind of like my first luger that I got in May. "This stuff is addictive! I love them! I'll keep shopping but I know I have to get one.
A 1911 sitting in a US marked holster is damn near as patriotic as the flag!

Steve

stymie · 06-28-2005, 11:51 PM

I picked up one of the parked 1911A1 COLTs from the Custom Shop & I have to tell you... it's super accurate & totally reliable! One of my 1st pistols was a Remington Rand 1911A1... so I picked this one up out of sheer nostalgia. Glad that I did! The carbonia blue 1911s are absolutely gorgeous pieces too.

Steve71 · 06-29-2005, 12:53 AM

I'll never retire

You guys will cost me a fortune

My next gun will either be a Luger or a 1911. I just need to do some more homework and save up a little more $$$. I have already learned that you have to have the cash on hand so when you see the one you want, you can grab it. If you snooze, you loose.

Steve

gsonnenmd · 06-29-2005, 05:24 PM

This is my favorite "shooter" 1911:

This is a Colt Custom Shop special (1 of 200)
"Colt 1991 Commando"
Beaded stainless finish. Officer slide on a full size frame. Lots of fun Custom Shop internals. This is a great shooter. Grips are by Alumagrip.

Steve71 · 06-30-2005, 03:01 AM

Nice, very nice. Great photo! I'll let you know if I get a 1911. Choices, choices, choices. But boy is it fun

Edward Tinker · 07-22-2005, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sieger
Ed:

Looking at the legal construction of the sentence, the comma and semi-colon would appear to mean "and" not "or".

P-08 frame pistols that are not commemoratives are clearly not listed anywhere.

The confusion continues.

Sieger

Sieger, I don't know this as fact; but I didn't think there were Swiss "models" WITH an American Eagle on them?

Ed

pipeman45 · 07-22-2005, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve71
Nice, very nice. Great photo! I'll let you know if I get a 1911. Choices, choices, choices. But boy is it fun

Don't do it Steve. Them dang old 1911's are almost as bad as them Lugers when it comes to clearing out the bank account! You can't stop with just one!!!

DougT · 07-22-2005, 10:40 AM

Hi everyone,

The comment "both sides of the trench" reminded me of a letter I read many years ago in one of the gun magazines. It was written by a WW II veteran in response to the ".45 vs. 9mm" debate that used to get so much coverage. It seems that this guy found himself in a one-on-one shoot out with a german who was armed with a Luger. He was armed with a 1911. He said he took a round in the chest from the Luger, but was able to return fire and kill the german with his 1911. He closed the letter by stating that he still owned both guns! Talk about your war trophies.

DougT

Sieger · 07-22-2005, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DougT
Hi everyone,

The comment "both sides of the trench" reminded me of a letter I read many years ago in one of the gun magazines. It was written by a WW II veteran in response to the ".45 vs. 9mm" debate that used to get so much coverage. It seems that this guy found himself in a one-on-one shoot out with a german who was armed with a Luger. He was armed with a 1911. He said he took a round in the chest from the Luger, but was able to return fire and kill the german with his 1911. He closed the letter by stating that he still owned both guns! Talk about your war trophies.

DougT

Doug:

I don't doubt in any way that you did read the above account. but it certainly sounds like a good old fish story to me!

Let's see, after he was shot through the chest, he somehow shot the German and then ran over and calmly picked up the guy's Luger to bring home with him.

Really, there is no debate. The 9mm FMJ obviously doesn't have the stopping power of the .45 FMJ, but his "story" seems a little over done to me.

Sieger

Sieger · 07-22-2005, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Edward Tinker
Sieger, I don't know this as fact; but I didn't think there were Swiss "models" WITH an American Eagle on them?

Ed

Ed:

I think all of the Swiss frame (straight grip in front) models had the Great Seal of the US over their chambers.

Sieger

Edward Tinker · 07-22-2005, 02:41 PM

Thanks, didn't know that, does make a difference in my thinking,

06-28-2005, 08:12 PM	#23
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	I retired as a 20-yr MP, multi-purpose as well as Military Police, carried and shot the 1911 for many years, then the M9 Berreta, both fine, I just like the 45 ACP better if my life depends on it, although bullet placement is far more important than the whoosh of a 45 going past __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-28-2005, 11:34 PM	#26
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Greg, Thanks for the information on the safety. I've always known that the 1911 was an awesome gun, but I was afraid to go there for fear that I would love it. It's kind of like my first luger that I got in May. "This stuff is addictive! I love them! I'll keep shopping but I know I have to get one. A 1911 sitting in a US marked holster is damn near as patriotic as the flag! Steve __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

06-29-2005, 12:53 AM	#28
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'll never retire You guys will cost me a fortune My next gun will either be a Luger or a 1911. I just need to do some more homework and save up a little more $$$. I have already learned that you have to have the cash on hand so when you see the one you want, you can grab it. If you snooze, you loose. Steve __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

06-29-2005, 05:24 PM	#29
gsonnenmd User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rockwall, Texas Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just to get your appetite going . . . This is my favorite "shooter" 1911: This is a Colt Custom Shop special (1 of 200) "Colt 1991 Commando" Beaded stainless finish. Officer slide on a full size frame. Lots of fun Custom Shop internals. This is a great shooter. Grips are by Alumagrip.

06-30-2005, 03:01 AM	#30
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Nice, very nice. Great photo! I'll let you know if I get a 1911. Choices, choices, choices. But boy is it fun __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

06-28-2005, 11:51 PM	#27
stymie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KC,MO USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I picked up one of the parked 1911A1 COLTs from the Custom Shop & I have to tell you... it's super accurate & totally reliable! One of my 1st pistols was a Remington Rand 1911A1... so I picked this one up out of sheer nostalgia. Glad that I did! The carbonia blue 1911s are absolutely gorgeous pieces too.

07-22-2005, 10:40 AM	#33
DougT User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 171 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi everyone, The comment "both sides of the trench" reminded me of a letter I read many years ago in one of the gun magazines. It was written by a WW II veteran in response to the ".45 vs. 9mm" debate that used to get so much coverage. It seems that this guy found himself in a one-on-one shoot out with a german who was armed with a Luger. He was armed with a 1911. He said he took a round in the chest from the Luger, but was able to return fire and kill the german with his 1911. He closed the letter by stating that he still owned both guns! Talk about your war trophies. DougT

07-22-2005, 02:41 PM	#36
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Thanks, didn't know that, does make a difference in my thinking, __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV