serial # 2 Luger

BIGBRAD · 01-09-2007, 03:43 PM

hi
I am new hear ,hope I'm in the right place. I am a dealer and will be doing the transfer of a luger with the serial number 2 at an upcoming auction . any info on the gun would help alot. I think its a 1900 model ,but I.m not a Luger man ,but I do like them alot. any help .it also has DWM on top of the toggle.I do have some photos if it helps.
thanks
BIGBRAD

Here are some photos

Edward Tinker · 01-09-2007, 04:09 PM

welcome big brad, be careful, as every year they started a new number and if it has a suffix (i.e. a, b, c, d, etc) then a #2 does not mean much.

IF a true 1900 #2, then yikes.....

Ed

Ron Wood · 01-09-2007, 06:01 PM

Photos will help a lot. If you have a problem posting them on this forum (it really isn't very difficult) you can let us know and Ed or I will give you our email address and we will post them for you. By the way, only the military models had a letter suffix (until the 1920 Commercials) so a 1900 or 1906 will only have a number. As Ed said, if it is a 1900 #2 it will be a treat to see.

BIGBRAD · 01-09-2007, 10:08 PM

thanks for the replys. posting photos

any more ideas ? is this a 1900 ser#2 ??
thanks
Bigbrad

Edward Tinker · 01-09-2007, 10:32 PM

It is #2, but not the number 2. It is a 1908 variation, and has a stock lug, stock lugs were added after 1913.

It is not a 1900 model, as they have dished toggles...

anymore pictures?

Ed

BIGBRAD · 01-09-2007, 10:35 PM

THANKS
I have very little info on Lugers.
BigBrad

Ron Wood · 01-10-2007, 01:51 AM

The Luger is an example of a 1914 Model that has been rather heavily reworked and reblued. The date has most likely been removed from the chamber and the "Made in Germany" along with the incongruous low serial number might suggest that this is a 1920 rework performed by an independent rework facility. Or it may be a much more modern remake. At any rate, the low serial number notwithstanding, in my opinion it has no particular collector value other than as a curiosity.

Dwight Gruber · 01-10-2007, 02:13 AM

Brad,

The crucial information for you is the number on the front of the frame--this is the legal serial number of the gun. If it has a scriptic letter suffix underneath it this must be recorded, as it is actually part of the serial number. Any chance you can show us a shot of the frame front, and also the bottom of the barrel near the frame?

Are there numbers stamped on the bottom edges of the takedown lever and the trigger plate? Are there any marks on the right receiver?

--Dwight

BIGBRAD · 01-10-2007, 08:35 AM

hi
thanks for the replys. if I can get more photos i will post them . The only numbers I remember are the ones in the photo.
thanks
Brad

Lugerdoc · 01-10-2007, 11:23 AM

BB, I agree with Ron W's comments above. This appears to be a hot dip reblued, probably renumbered shooter. Since you didn't mention the caliber, possibly a 7.65mm commerical made after 1923, when the US first required that "made in ---" be applied to imports. TH

01-09-2007, 03:43 PM	#1
BIGBRAD New User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: MARYLAND Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	serial # 2 Luger hi I am new hear ,hope I'm in the right place. I am a dealer and will be doing the transfer of a luger with the serial number 2 at an upcoming auction . any info on the gun would help alot. I think its a 1900 model ,but I.m not a Luger man ,but I do like them alot. any help .it also has DWM on top of the toggle.I do have some photos if it helps. thanks BIGBRAD Here are some photos

01-09-2007, 06:01 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Photos will help a lot. If you have a problem posting them on this forum (it really isn't very difficult) you can let us know and Ed or I will give you our email address and we will post them for you. By the way, only the military models had a letter suffix (until the 1920 Commercials) so a 1900 or 1906 will only have a number. As Ed said, if it is a 1900 #2 it will be a treat to see. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-09-2007, 10:08 PM	#4
BIGBRAD New User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: MARYLAND Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	photos thanks for the replys. posting photos any more ideas ? is this a 1900 ser#2 ?? thanks Bigbrad

01-09-2007, 10:32 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	It is #2, but not the number 2. It is a 1908 variation, and has a stock lug, stock lugs were added after 1913. It is not a 1900 model, as they have dished toggles... anymore pictures? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-10-2007, 01:51 AM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	The Luger is an example of a 1914 Model that has been rather heavily reworked and reblued. The date has most likely been removed from the chamber and the "Made in Germany" along with the incongruous low serial number might suggest that this is a 1920 rework performed by an independent rework facility. Or it may be a much more modern remake. At any rate, the low serial number notwithstanding, in my opinion it has no particular collector value other than as a curiosity. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-09-2007, 04:09 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	welcome big brad, be careful, as every year they started a new number and if it has a suffix (i.e. a, b, c, d, etc) then a #2 does not mean much. IF a true 1900 #2, then yikes..... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-09-2007, 10:35 PM	#6
BIGBRAD New User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: MARYLAND Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	THANKS I have very little info on Lugers. BigBrad

01-10-2007, 02:13 AM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,312 Times in 430 Posts	Brad, The crucial information for you is the number on the front of the frame--this is the legal serial number of the gun. If it has a scriptic letter suffix underneath it this must be recorded, as it is actually part of the serial number. Any chance you can show us a shot of the frame front, and also the bottom of the barrel near the frame? Are there numbers stamped on the bottom edges of the takedown lever and the trigger plate? Are there any marks on the right receiver? --Dwight

01-10-2007, 08:35 AM	#9
BIGBRAD New User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: MARYLAND Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hi thanks for the replys. if I can get more photos i will post them . The only numbers I remember are the ones in the photo. thanks Brad

01-10-2007, 11:23 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	BB, I agree with Ron W's comments above. This appears to be a hot dip reblued, probably renumbered shooter. Since you didn't mention the caliber, possibly a 7.65mm commerical made after 1923, when the US first required that "made in ---" be applied to imports. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net