DWM Luger Stock Lug Transition

Luke · 01-23-2003, 09:30 AM

According to "Imperial Lugers" by Jan Still, the DWM transition from no-stock-lug to mandatory stock lug on Imperial Lugers occurred in late 1913.

Since some 1914 DWM's were built WITHOUT a stock lug and some 1913 DWM's were built WITH a stock lug, it appears that the transition was not a precise cutover.

Would appreciate hearing from anyone with a 1913 DWM which HAS a stock lug. Interested in the build block. The only ones I have been able to personally view were built in the "b" block, but at least one in the "no suffix" block has been reported.

If you have a 1913 DWM with stock lug, please contact me directly at <lugesm@charter.net> or reply here.

Would appreciate any information you have.

Regards,
Luke

Lugerdoc · 01-23-2003, 12:05 PM

I've never seen a 1913 DWM with a stock lug, only Erfurts produced in DEC "13.

Luke · 01-23-2003, 12:55 PM

Hello Tom (Lugerdoc),

Thanks for responding to my inquiry.

"Imperial Lugers" has a picture of a 1913 DWM with Stock Lug on page 39. This gun was part of the Doug Smith collection at the time the book was published. It is in the "b" block as is the one I just bought.

The Doug Smith Luger has the exact same proofs on the right receiver as the one I just bought.

Regards,
Luke

John Sabato · 01-23-2003, 01:43 PM

Sounds like you found a rare transition piece Luke...

Congrats! When do we get to see it?

Dieter08 · 01-24-2003, 06:07 AM

I have a 1913 Erfurt with stock-lug. Think it's rare. It's that one with the SS-stamp, pics were posted.

Luke · 01-24-2003, 07:13 AM

Thanks, Dieter.

Also, I just received a report of two other 1913 DWM's with stock lugs from a member of the other Luger forum. Unfortunately, he did not have serial numbers.

Luke

Dieter08 · 01-24-2003, 11:23 AM

I'll ask a friend, he has over 100 lugers, esp. the old ones, maybe he has one 1913 with lug and number.

Luke · 01-24-2003, 06:37 PM

Dieter,

Thank you. I'll look forward to your answer.

Luke

Dieter08 · 01-25-2003, 05:01 AM

Hi, i phoned him last evening. He has a lot of lugers, but no 1913-stock-lug-DWM, he is still searching one. He told me, that he saw one, they exist! But where..........???????????????? <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" />

Luke · 01-25-2003, 07:48 AM

Dieter -

Thanks for checking. It is pretty clear that they exist but are, indeed, rare. I feel very fortunate to have found one, even if it is not in mint condition.

Luke

01-23-2003, 09:30 AM	#1
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	DWM Luger Stock Lug Transition According to "Imperial Lugers" by Jan Still, the DWM transition from no-stock-lug to mandatory stock lug on Imperial Lugers occurred in late 1913. Since some 1914 DWM's were built WITHOUT a stock lug and some 1913 DWM's were built WITH a stock lug, it appears that the transition was not a precise cutover. Would appreciate hearing from anyone with a 1913 DWM which HAS a stock lug. Interested in the build block. The only ones I have been able to personally view were built in the "b" block, but at least one in the "no suffix" block has been reported. If you have a 1913 DWM with stock lug, please contact me directly at <lugesm@charter.net> or reply here. Would appreciate any information you have. Regards, Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

01-23-2003, 12:05 PM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	I've never seen a 1913 DWM with a stock lug, only Erfurts produced in DEC "13. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-23-2003, 12:55 PM	#3
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Hello Tom (Lugerdoc), Thanks for responding to my inquiry. "Imperial Lugers" has a picture of a 1913 DWM with Stock Lug on page 39. This gun was part of the Doug Smith collection at the time the book was published. It is in the "b" block as is the one I just bought. The Doug Smith Luger has the exact same proofs on the right receiver as the one I just bought. Regards, Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

01-23-2003, 01:43 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Sounds like you found a rare transition piece Luke... Congrats! When do we get to see it? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-24-2003, 07:13 AM	#6
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Thanks, Dieter. Also, I just received a report of two other 1913 DWM's with stock lugs from a member of the other Luger forum. Unfortunately, he did not have serial numbers. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

01-24-2003, 06:07 AM	#5
Dieter08 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have a 1913 Erfurt with stock-lug. Think it's rare. It's that one with the SS-stamp, pics were posted.

01-24-2003, 11:23 AM	#7
Dieter08 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'll ask a friend, he has over 100 lugers, esp. the old ones, maybe he has one 1913 with lug and number.

01-24-2003, 06:37 PM	#8
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Dieter, Thank you. I'll look forward to your answer. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

01-25-2003, 05:01 AM	#9
Dieter08 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi, i phoned him last evening. He has a lot of lugers, but no 1913-stock-lug-DWM, he is still searching one. He told me, that he saw one, they exist! But where..........???????????????? <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" />

01-25-2003, 07:48 AM	#10
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Dieter - Thanks for checking. It is pretty clear that they exist but are, indeed, rare. I feel very fortunate to have found one, even if it is not in mint condition. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther