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Unread 02-25-2018, 09:50 AM   #1
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I'm looking at acquiring a 42 Police Luger in about 95%+. Comes with two matching mags, numbered holster, numbers matching tool, etc. All small parts match the upper/barrel. The question I have is the lower frame is exactly one digit higher than all the other matching numbers on this near mint gun. Frankly, I've never seen anything like it. Could it be an assembly error leaving the factory? Appreciate any insight into this anomaly.

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Unread 02-25-2018, 11:36 AM   #2
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Unread 02-25-2018, 11:59 AM   #3
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Thanks. Gun doesn't appear to be restored or refinished. The only other thing I could think of was the lower was swapped at the unit level after issue. The numbers are sequential (i.e. 1095/1096). I can think of no other explanation...
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Can you post pictures? 1942 Police Banners would most likely have a "y" suffix. Is there a "y" on the front of the frame and the magazine bottoms?
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Yes to y on frame, not on the mags however. Pic of frame attached.
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Thanks. Gun doesn't appear to be restored or refinished. The only other thing I could think of was the lower was swapped at the unit level after issue. The numbers are sequential (i.e. 1095/1096). I can think of no other explanation...
The upper and lower were "assembled" together sometime in the last 76 years, almost certainly not by any official German service organization. The liklihood of any "unit" having two consecutively numbered 42 police Lugers to confuse together is vanishingly small.

No wishful explanation will ever make this anything other than a mis-matched pistol. Manage your expectations and pay accordingly.

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Understand. Thanks for the input Dwight.

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Sounds like a spiffy shooter, for sure!

What do the two matching mags match, the upper or the frame?
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Hi. The mags, holster and tool match the upper.
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Hi. The mags, holster and tool match the upper.
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That would be unusual for a "42"; when you can please post pictures of the holster, its markings, and the tool.
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Here you go. Interested in your thoughts.

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the lower frame is exactly one digit higher than all the other matching numbers
That's a head scratcher for sure. To me the mix up about had to happen at the factory, not after issue. Not that it matters a bit in the end because the value of the gun is only what someone is willing to pay for it.
I'm curious as to the asking price.
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"the lower frame is exactly one digit higher than all the other matching numbers
That's a head scratcher for sure. To me the mix up about had to happen at the factory, not after issue. Not that it matters a bit in the end because the value of the gun is only what someone is willing to pay for it.
I'm curious as to the asking price."

Either a freak factory error of some kind or the person who needed a new frame is just about the luckiest (or unluckiest?) Luger collector alive on that one.
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That was my sense of it. Would prefer that the whole gun was matching. Makes it easy. With a mis-matched from one number higher, it complicates things quite a bit, at least for me. Conditionally, makes no sense as the gun would grade 95% plus. No record of factory errors out there???

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Sorry, forgot. $3K.

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3K is way too much!
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No matter what the stories or guesses it is still a mismatched shooter. Maybe $1500 at the most. I doubt very much that this occurred at the factory. Nor does it really matter where or when. Nice shooter way high price. Bill
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I'd tend to agree with Bill. the price is way high, actually it is priced at the nosebleed level if the numbers did match. I'd want to be in at well under $2k, and even then good luck getting your money back.
Looking at the mix-up logistically, it just seems like the odds of it happening at the factory are far more likely than after it left.
But we will never know.
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... No record of factory errors out there???
This happens seldom enough to be reported...never.

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Well, thanks to everyone who responded. Seems to be agreement that the gun might be a factory error, unable to prove one way or the other. But even if it was, would not change value proposition. Matching is desired for collectors (and most shooters) and that pretty much says it all. What a difference one digit can make! I suspected as much but appreciate everyone's confirmation.
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