snail drum mag

Henry Bucki · 06-27-2004, 10:38 PM

What could i expect to pay for a snail drum,and would i be able to load it by hand without the aid of a loader? I have seen them for around 1400,is that the going price? Also where their two types made,

Jerry · 06-27-2004, 11:10 PM

Henry, email me at jmay12550@Earthlink.net I have
a snail drum for sale. You really need loader to load it up.

Big Norm · 06-28-2004, 12:43 AM

There is also an unloader tool which is rare. No price available because of its rarity. You might not be able to totally load all 32 rounds if there is a dent in the snail drum. Its quite a job loading ammo after about 10 rounds.

There is a type 1 a type 2 snail drum. The difference is in the winding arm. There were about four different manufacturers and several different styles among them according to John Walters book "The Luger Book".

There have been reproductions by the Japanese and recently by a popular west coast gun smith. Some of the newer versions hold less than the 32 rounds. Some hold only 8 and others hold only 10. I also have seen loader reproductions.

Most snail drums that I have seen sell for about $1400. Try to find one with a dust cover.
Big Norm

Lugerdoc · 06-28-2004, 08:12 AM

Henry, For shooting purposes, I find the 2nd issue (improved winding arm) Trommel mags easier to load. I generally can load 25 rounds by hand. It's those last 7rds, that require a loader, and as Norm said, there are repro loaders available in the $400 to $500 range, if desired. Th

Jerry · 07-01-2004, 07:20 AM

Henry,did you get my Emails and attachments?

Henry Bucki · 07-01-2004, 09:51 PM

hello trap shooter no i got a email but no attachments my son sent his address

George Anderson · 07-01-2004, 10:31 PM

I hope I don't come across as an a-hole but, a few notes on snails...

My dear friend Ed Sayre spent years studying the Tmag and LP08s in order to write THE BOOK on the subject. I collaborated with him in this endeavor over the last four years. Ed died last year.

Although there were three identified makers of thr t-mag there were only two who made it; the brothers Bing in Nurnberg who were world renowned toy makers, and AEG in Berlin who manufactured electrical stuff. The third supposed maker was in Koln and no example of his production has ever been seen.

Ed Sayre felt strongly that the so-called unloader was strictly a post 1918 police device. All examples he examined were modified loaders and he figured it was for post war police use, probably with the MP18 submachinegun. Only the police would need to be able to quietly unload these mags when they returned from their police rounds. A trooper in the trenches would either not unload or simply unload in the enemy's direction.

There were both a type I and a type II but these are collector designations and not German and not all encompassing as there are "subvariations" among what are called the type II's.

Ed's book was pretty much completed at the time of his death. It was just waiting for a publisher.

I have been in touch with Ed's family and there is a chance that the book will go forward. I hope so.

Edward Tinker · 07-01-2004, 11:30 PM

I would buy this book in a heartbeat Geo!

We'll hope this happens,

Ed

Big Norm · 07-02-2004, 12:30 AM

George,
thank you.
Big Norm

06-27-2004, 10:38 PM	#1
Henry Bucki User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marietta Ga Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	snail drum mag What could i expect to pay for a snail drum,and would i be able to load it by hand without the aid of a loader? I have seen them for around 1400,is that the going price? Also where their two types made,

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Jerry Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 126 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Henry, email me at jmay12550@Earthlink.net I have a snail drum for sale. You really need loader to load it up. __________________ Jerry

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Henry, For shooting purposes, I find the 2nd issue (improved winding arm) Trommel mags easier to load. I generally can load 25 rounds by hand. It's those last 7rds, that require a loader, and as Norm said, there are repro loaders available in the $400 to $500 range, if desired. Th __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

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Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	There is also an unloader tool which is rare. No price available because of its rarity. You might not be able to totally load all 32 rounds if there is a dent in the snail drum. Its quite a job loading ammo after about 10 rounds. There is a type 1 a type 2 snail drum. The difference is in the winding arm. There were about four different manufacturers and several different styles among them according to John Walters book "The Luger Book". There have been reproductions by the Japanese and recently by a popular west coast gun smith. Some of the newer versions hold less than the 32 rounds. Some hold only 8 and others hold only 10. I also have seen loader reproductions. Most snail drums that I have seen sell for about $1400. Try to find one with a dust cover. Big Norm

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Henry Bucki User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marietta Ga Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hello trap shooter no i got a email but no attachments my son sent his address

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George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,771 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I hope I don't come across as an a-hole but, a few notes on snails... My dear friend Ed Sayre spent years studying the Tmag and LP08s in order to write THE BOOK on the subject. I collaborated with him in this endeavor over the last four years. Ed died last year. Although there were three identified makers of thr t-mag there were only two who made it; the brothers Bing in Nurnberg who were world renowned toy makers, and AEG in Berlin who manufactured electrical stuff. The third supposed maker was in Koln and no example of his production has ever been seen. Ed Sayre felt strongly that the so-called unloader was strictly a post 1918 police device. All examples he examined were modified loaders and he figured it was for post war police use, probably with the MP18 submachinegun. Only the police would need to be able to quietly unload these mags when they returned from their police rounds. A trooper in the trenches would either not unload or simply unload in the enemy's direction. There were both a type I and a type II but these are collector designations and not German and not all encompassing as there are "subvariations" among what are called the type II's. Ed's book was pretty much completed at the time of his death. It was just waiting for a publisher. I have been in touch with Ed's family and there is a chance that the book will go forward. I hope so.

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Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	George, thank you. Big Norm