P.08 toggle assembly swap

Nakanokalronin · 06-17-2019, 05:14 PM

I recently bought an all matching 42 "byf" Mauser Luger known to some as the "Black Widow" model. I want to shoot it, but I fear breaking one of the all matching parts in the toggle assembly. I found a complete original 42 DWM toggle assembly online and was wondering if it has a chance to just drop in and function. I've read some snippets here and there that people swap the assemblies to prevent original parts breakage, but I want to make sure before I order it.

HerrKaiser · 06-17-2019, 05:26 PM

It might or it might not. No way to know until you have it. Even if the parts “fit” without you having to do any work to fit them, it may not function as reliably if at all. How you choose to proceed is up to you. As long as you have the tools and know-how then I’d go for it.

Nakanokalronin · 06-17-2019, 05:31 PM

Thanks for the reply. I guess I'll just have to order it and hope for the best. I've fit plenty of 1911 parts including slides to frames so it shouldn't be too difficult if I need to do some fitting.

DonVoigt · 06-17-2019, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nakanokalronin

I recently bought an all matching 42 "byf" Mauser Luger known to some as the "Black Widow" model. I want to shoot it, but I fear breaking one of the all matching parts in the toggle assembly. I found a complete original 42 DWM toggle assembly online and was wondering if it has a chance to just drop in and function. I've read some snippets here and there that people swap the assemblies to prevent original parts breakage, but I want to make sure before I order it.

Odds are it will work just fine.

Bill_in_VA · 06-17-2019, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Odds are it will work just fine.

This.
I’ve swapped a few toggle trains and all have worked.

G.T. · 06-17-2019, 08:04 PM

Most of the time, in fact, a good majority of the time, you can switch them around with no ill effects? But, there are a few checks that will ensure that you'll be safe! It is desirable that your toggle train is tight, as in no, or very little, lateral breechblock movement when the toggle train is installed into the receiver?... The breech block can move a very few thousands, but any more will result in way too much headspace. Which brings us to the second check, as you range test your parts swap unit, check the first round thru it, and also the next half a dozen or so, for a pierced primer?... If all you see is a brass dimpled primer, all is well! A little black mark right in the center and for sure, the boogieman is right around the corner!!!!...

....Best to all, til….lat'r….GT.....

HerrKaiser · 06-17-2019, 08:27 PM

Seems like I’ve just had the unlucky experience then. One of my pistols’ parts fits in another one, but the other doesn’t do the reverse.

DonVoigt · 06-17-2019, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HerrKaiser

Seems like I’ve just had the unlucky experience then. One of my pistols’ parts fits in another one, but the other doesn’t do the reverse.

Looks like your are one of the "1%",
unfortunately the wrong 1%.

4 Scale · 06-18-2019, 02:40 AM

My military 9mm shooter is a Mauser ('38) with an Imperial DWM toggle that fits perfectly.

rhuff · 06-18-2019, 01:26 PM

I have only switched out a couple of complete toggle trains over the years, but they functioned just fine. GT brings up some very valid points to watch for. Give it a try.....nothing ventured----nothing gained!!

HerrKaiser · 06-18-2019, 01:56 PM

My DWM pistol will accept my Mauser’s parts, but the DWM parts are ever so slightly too big and won’t fit right into the Mauser. I haven’t tried anything with my new-to-me Erfurt artillery to see how those might work yet.

06-17-2019, 05:14 PM	#1
Nakanokalronin New User Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 2 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	P.08 toggle assembly swap I recently bought an all matching 42 "byf" Mauser Luger known to some as the "Black Widow" model. I want to shoot it, but I fear breaking one of the all matching parts in the toggle assembly. I found a complete original 42 DWM toggle assembly online and was wondering if it has a chance to just drop in and function. I've read some snippets here and there that people swap the assemblies to prevent original parts breakage, but I want to make sure before I order it.

06-17-2019, 05:26 PM	#2
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 800 Thanks: 750 Thanked 793 Times in 376 Posts	It might or it might not. No way to know until you have it. Even if the parts “fit” without you having to do any work to fit them, it may not function as reliably if at all. How you choose to proceed is up to you. As long as you have the tools and know-how then I’d go for it. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

06-17-2019, 08:04 PM	#6
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,485 Thanks: 1,283 Thanked 3,581 Times in 989 Posts	what to look for! Most of the time, in fact, a good majority of the time, you can switch them around with no ill effects? But, there are a few checks that will ensure that you'll be safe! It is desirable that your toggle train is tight, as in no, or very little, lateral breechblock movement when the toggle train is installed into the receiver?... The breech block can move a very few thousands, but any more will result in way too much headspace. Which brings us to the second check, as you range test your parts swap unit, check the first round thru it, and also the next half a dozen or so, for a pierced primer?... If all you see is a brass dimpled primer, all is well! A little black mark right in the center and for sure, the boogieman is right around the corner!!!!... ....Best to all, til….lat'r….GT.....

06-17-2019, 08:27 PM	#7
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 800 Thanks: 750 Thanked 793 Times in 376 Posts	Seems like I’ve just had the unlucky experience then. One of my pistols’ parts fits in another one, but the other doesn’t do the reverse. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

06-18-2019, 01:26 PM	#10
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 2,686 Thanked 958 Times in 704 Posts	I have only switched out a couple of complete toggle trains over the years, but they functioned just fine. GT brings up some very valid points to watch for. Give it a try.....nothing ventured----nothing gained!! __________________ Need DWM breechblock #21

06-17-2019, 05:31 PM	#3
Nakanokalronin New User Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 2 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the reply. I guess I'll just have to order it and hope for the best. I've fit plenty of 1911 parts including slides to frames so it shouldn't be too difficult if I need to do some fitting.

06-18-2019, 02:40 AM	#9
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 489 Times in 251 Posts	My military 9mm shooter is a Mauser ('38) with an Imperial DWM toggle that fits perfectly.

06-18-2019, 01:56 PM	#11
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 800 Thanks: 750 Thanked 793 Times in 376 Posts	My DWM pistol will accept my Mauser’s parts, but the DWM parts are ever so slightly too big and won’t fit right into the Mauser. I haven’t tried anything with my new-to-me Erfurt artillery to see how those might work yet. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22