1923 Stoeger American Eagle

Thor · 11-13-2002, 11:11 PM

Did the 1923 Stoeger American Eagle lCommerical models have an eagle that looks different than the earlier? Might have pictures later to discuss. Thanks!

John Sabato · 11-14-2002, 10:24 AM

a very interesting question Thor. I would speculate that since the 1923 AE commercial were made by DWM, that they still had the stamping die used on the early AE models and that the stamp should be the same.

I also would be very interested in seeing a variety of photos of various AE models that would answer this question. And now that I think about it, maybe we ought to start calling them Army eagles, since the test pistols were made and purchased for the U.S. Army. And since I am retired Army, that (Army)eagle emblem is one of my favorites! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Thor · 11-14-2002, 10:52 AM

John, my dad was retired Army and one day I commented that I really liked the baseball cap he was wearing, it had the Army Eagle on it. He simply said, you keep it! I still have it and occasionally wear it cause it helps me remember him and it makes me happy!

Edward Tinker · 11-14-2002, 11:01 AM

[img]smile.gif[/img] I hear that.

Hey, you didn't "really" get an answer Thor on whether there were different dies used for the different years? (no offense John, was fishing for more answers [img]biggrin.gif[/img] )

Were the first eagles the same as later Stoeger Eagles? (pre-war, not after [img]wink.gif[/img] )

Thor · 11-15-2002, 09:32 PM

Ed and John, I am told the Eagle's feathers are slightly different and the head is canted a bit from an earlier Eagle. The owner reports that four engravers have viewed the chamber marking and the unanimous view is that it is a stamped marking (metal mushed out somewhat when viewed with power magnifier) not engraved. This Safe and Loaded American Eagle really has the owner puzzled. We dont know if it was stamped by DWM or someone else. Any thoughts? Thanks

Johnny Peppers · 11-15-2002, 10:50 PM

Ted,
Not to imply anything about the pistol in question, but fake chamber markings are not limited to having been engraved.

Thor · 11-15-2002, 11:51 PM

I just noticed something. On Bill Stanley's 1906 AE, the bottom of the tail feathers are kinda pointed with the center tail feather forming the point just like in John's picture above in this threads, while the 1930 Stoeger AE made by Mauser shown on page 283 of Weimar Lugers by Still have the bottom of the tail feathers forming a smooth arc, not a point like the earlier eagles. Again this is illustrated on page 271, the Stoeger AE had the curved and smooth tail and on the next page the Stoeger Eagle has the pointed tail feathers. Am I looking cross eyed of not? Appears to be two different eagles to me. Looking at Lugers at Random I see a spattering of mixed pointed feathers and smooth tail feather eagles.

"Now.....Don't that make yer yaller boots blue?"

Thor · 11-16-2002, 01:02 PM

What do you guys think about my observation??

wterrell · 11-16-2002, 05:20 PM

Mauser

DWM

Thor · 11-16-2002, 05:34 PM

WES,,, danke!!!! Now that's what ol Thor is talking 'bout!!!

Luke · 11-17-2002, 06:08 PM

Interesting. From pictures posted on the Forum, it appears that Stoeger/Aimco copied the Mauser Eagle.

John Sabato · 11-18-2002, 11:10 AM

Did you guys also notice that the AIMCO Lugers Eagle crest also leaves off the field of 13 stars?

11-13-2002, 11:11 PM	#1
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	1923 Stoeger American Eagle Did the 1923 Stoeger American Eagle lCommerical models have an eagle that looks different than the earlier? Might have pictures later to discuss. Thanks! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

11-14-2002, 10:24 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	a very interesting question Thor. I would speculate that since the 1923 AE commercial were made by DWM, that they still had the stamping die used on the early AE models and that the stamp should be the same. I also would be very interested in seeing a variety of photos of various AE models that would answer this question. And now that I think about it, maybe we ought to start calling them Army eagles, since the test pistols were made and purchased for the U.S. Army. And since I am retired Army, that (Army)eagle emblem is one of my favorites! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-14-2002, 10:52 AM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	John, my dad was retired Army and one day I commented that I really liked the baseball cap he was wearing, it had the Army Eagle on it. He simply said, you keep it! I still have it and occasionally wear it cause it helps me remember him and it makes me happy! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

11-14-2002, 11:01 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	[img]smile.gif[/img] I hear that. Hey, you didn't "really" get an answer Thor on whether there were different dies used for the different years? (no offense John, was fishing for more answers [img]biggrin.gif[/img] ) Were the first eagles the same as later Stoeger Eagles? (pre-war, not after [img]wink.gif[/img] ) __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-15-2002, 09:32 PM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Ed and John, I am told the Eagle's feathers are slightly different and the head is canted a bit from an earlier Eagle. The owner reports that four engravers have viewed the chamber marking and the unanimous view is that it is a stamped marking (metal mushed out somewhat when viewed with power magnifier) not engraved. This Safe and Loaded American Eagle really has the owner puzzled. We dont know if it was stamped by DWM or someone else. Any thoughts? Thanks __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

11-15-2002, 10:50 PM	#6
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ted, Not to imply anything about the pistol in question, but fake chamber markings are not limited to having been engraved.

11-15-2002, 11:51 PM	#7
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I just noticed something. On Bill Stanley's 1906 AE, the bottom of the tail feathers are kinda pointed with the center tail feather forming the point just like in John's picture above in this threads, while the 1930 Stoeger AE made by Mauser shown on page 283 of Weimar Lugers by Still have the bottom of the tail feathers forming a smooth arc, not a point like the earlier eagles. Again this is illustrated on page 271, the Stoeger AE had the curved and smooth tail and on the next page the Stoeger Eagle has the pointed tail feathers. Am I looking cross eyed of not? Appears to be two different eagles to me. Looking at Lugers at Random I see a spattering of mixed pointed feathers and smooth tail feather eagles. "Now.....Don't that make yer yaller boots blue?" __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

11-16-2002, 01:02 PM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	What do you guys think about my observation?? __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

11-16-2002, 05:20 PM	#9
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Mauser DWM __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

11-16-2002, 05:34 PM	#10
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	WES,,, danke!!!! Now that's what ol Thor is talking 'bout!!! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

11-17-2002, 06:08 PM	#11
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Interesting. From pictures posted on the Forum, it appears that Stoeger/Aimco copied the Mauser Eagle. __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

11-18-2002, 11:10 AM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Did you guys also notice that the AIMCO Lugers Eagle crest also leaves off the field of 13 stars? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*