Werle-Nedbal .45ACP Parabellum Prototype No. 001

Michael Zeleny · 04-21-2014, 11:18 AM

Hermann Historica 68th auction Lot #643; photos saved here.

Ron Wood · 04-21-2014, 11:26 AM

Super photos Michael! Is the gun yours now?

John Sabato · 04-21-2014, 11:46 AM

I can't see the photos! Is the website down? or am I being filtered?

sheepherder · 04-21-2014, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by John Sabato

I can't see the photos! Is the website down? or am I being filtered?

I can see (& save) them...Must be the filters...

Michael, is it stainless, or in-the-white???

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Super photos Michael! Is the gun yours now?

Would Michael post pics under his own name if it wasn't???

Sergio Natali · 04-21-2014, 11:53 AM

John,

The photos are on the right, just click on "here"

Michael Zeleny · 04-21-2014, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

Michael, is it stainless, or in-the-white???

As the listing says, in-the-white.

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Would Michael post pics under his own name if it wasn't???

Why not? The gun is up for grabs next month. It is a historical piece. Bid early and often.

John Sabato · 04-21-2014, 12:27 PM

Sheepherder is right... that site is filtered where I am ... If someone could save and post them (if they are not copyrighted), and post them here I (and others I'm sure) would appreciate it... it will be hours before I can check in from home.

Michael, I am sure that if it caught your attention, it must be a deusie!

aldo35 · 04-21-2014, 05:27 PM

Hi,

How do you find this auction?

Aldo34

sheepherder · 04-21-2014, 05:35 PM

Here's the ones I snatched...They're not very big...Not sure why...

sheepherder · 04-21-2014, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by aldo35

Hi,

How do you find this auction?

Aldo34

From Michael's post -

http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt...db=kat68_s.txt

rolandtg · 04-21-2014, 07:28 PM

Machine translated:

Lot # 643
Werle-Nedbal Parabellum, prototype
Cal .45, ACP, No. 001 Mirror Bright bore, length 125 mm. Magazine for seven cartridges. German shelling. Grip safety. Weapon completely in white finished state. Minimal traces of contact of the assembly and legal attack. Like new condition.
Parts of the weapon with Karl Nedbal in Vienna made. From the German Parabellum specialists Herbert Werle finished and assembled. The weapon is the first piece of the collaboration between the two renowned specialists Nedbal and Werle. On the weapon manufacturing mark "NK" and "Werle".
Using this weapon tested Herbert Werle the assembly of parts and prepared the production processes for a proposed, but so far unrealized very small batches before. Uniquely copy of the Parabellum pistol in caliber .45 ACP analogous to the test weapon for the U.S. Army in 1906. Due to the white finished state can the weapon be finished according to the wishes of the purchaser.
Acquisition certificate prescription.

Michael Zeleny · 04-21-2014, 07:40 PM

Previously offered at 9,500 EUR.

nukem556 · 04-21-2014, 08:51 PM

Beautiful pistol , but it looks a little "off" from being an exact copy as I understand the Krause guns are......Ron?

I notice this one lacks the DWM logo also....is there really any trademark concerns all these years later?

Michael Zeleny · 04-21-2014, 09:00 PM

The Krause replica is not known to cycle. The Werle-Nedbal variant appears to work.

LU1900 · 04-21-2014, 09:01 PM

If I have some € , I ll be happy having it : nice 45acp , but not the moment , I just buy a 1902 carbine ...

Ron Wood · 04-21-2014, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nukem556

Beautiful pistol , but it looks a little "off" from being an exact copy as I understand the Krause guns are......Ron?

The Krause gun is a dead ringer for the surviving DWM guns whereas the Werle-Nedbal does look "off" a bit. But as Michael pointed out the Krause guns frequently take some tinkering to run reliably...supposedly the W-N guns don't leave the shop until they can run a magazine full without malfunction...don't know that for sure but that is what I have heard.

Sieger · 04-22-2014, 01:00 AM

If you do a search on YouTube, you will find a nice clip of one of these being fired by Herr Werle, selbst.

I don't know what powder he was using in his ammo, but it surely smoked like the devil!

Sieger

Sieger · 04-22-2014, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

The Krause gun is a dead ringer for the surviving DWM guns whereas the Werle-Nedbal does look "off" a bit. But as Michael pointed out the Krause guns frequently take some tinkering to run reliably...supposedly the W-N guns don't leave the shop until they can run a magazine full without malfunction...don't know that for sure but that is what I have heard.

At the price these Krause Werke Parabellums were offered for sale, this fact was somewhat disappointing to me. In fact, this kept me from buying one from him in the first place. Springs, springs, its all in the springs!!!

The Mexican made stainless steel Lugers, marketed by Stoeger and others, also suffered from this same issue.

Sieger

Sieger · 04-22-2014, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny

The Krause replica is not known to cycle. The Werle-Nedbal variant appears to work.

Werle is "the master" Luger gunsmith! He is probably the best Lugersmith in the world!

Sieger

John Sabato · 04-22-2014, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sieger

The Mexican made stainless steel Lugers, marketed by Stoeger and others, also suffered from this same issue.

Sieger

Not sure where this came from Sieger, but ALL of the stainless steel Lugers, regardless of the label they were marketed under, were made in Houston, TX.

04-21-2014, 11:18 AM	#1
Michael Zeleny Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 525 Thanks: 129 Thanked 138 Times in 76 Posts	Werle-Nedbal .45ACP Parabellum Prototype No. 001 Hermann Historica 68th auction Lot #643; photos saved here. __________________ Michael Zeleny@post.harvard.edu -- http://larvatus.livejournal.com/ -- 7576 Willow Glen Road, Los Angeles, CA 90046 -- 323.363.1860 All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett

04-21-2014, 11:26 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Super photos Michael! Is the gun yours now? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

04-21-2014, 11:46 AM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I can't see the photos! Is the website down? or am I being filtered? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-21-2014, 11:53 AM	#5
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	John, The photos are on the right, just click on "here" __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

04-21-2014, 12:27 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Sheepherder is right... that site is filtered where I am ... If someone could save and post them (if they are not copyrighted), and post them here I (and others I'm sure) would appreciate it... it will be hours before I can check in from home. Michael, I am sure that if it caught your attention, it must be a deusie! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-21-2014, 05:27 PM	#8
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 308 Thanks: 2,159 Thanked 135 Times in 67 Posts	Where is this auction? Hi, How do you find this auction? Aldo34

04-21-2014, 05:35 PM	#9
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	Here's the ones I snatched...They're not very big...Not sure why... Attached Thumbnails Attached Images __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

04-21-2014, 07:28 PM	#11
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 471 Thanks: 361 Thanked 254 Times in 111 Posts	Machine translated: Lot # 643 Werle-Nedbal Parabellum, prototype Cal .45, ACP, No. 001 Mirror Bright bore, length 125 mm. Magazine for seven cartridges. German shelling. Grip safety. Weapon completely in white finished state. Minimal traces of contact of the assembly and legal attack. Like new condition. Parts of the weapon with Karl Nedbal in Vienna made. From the German Parabellum specialists Herbert Werle finished and assembled. The weapon is the first piece of the collaboration between the two renowned specialists Nedbal and Werle. On the weapon manufacturing mark "NK" and "Werle". Using this weapon tested Herbert Werle the assembly of parts and prepared the production processes for a proposed, but so far unrealized very small batches before. Uniquely copy of the Parabellum pistol in caliber .45 ACP analogous to the test weapon for the U.S. Army in 1906. Due to the white finished state can the weapon be finished according to the wishes of the purchaser. Acquisition certificate prescription.

04-21-2014, 07:40 PM	#12
Michael Zeleny Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 525 Thanks: 129 Thanked 138 Times in 76 Posts	Previously offered at 9,500 EUR. __________________ Michael Zeleny@post.harvard.edu -- http://larvatus.livejournal.com/ -- 7576 Willow Glen Road, Los Angeles, CA 90046 -- 323.363.1860 All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett

04-21-2014, 08:51 PM	#13
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Beautiful pistol , but it looks a little "off" from being an exact copy as I understand the Krause guns are......Ron? I notice this one lacks the DWM logo also....is there really any trademark concerns all these years later?

04-21-2014, 09:00 PM	#14
Michael Zeleny Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 525 Thanks: 129 Thanked 138 Times in 76 Posts	The Krause replica is not known to cycle. The Werle-Nedbal variant appears to work. __________________ Michael Zeleny@post.harvard.edu -- http://larvatus.livejournal.com/ -- 7576 Willow Glen Road, Los Angeles, CA 90046 -- 323.363.1860 All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett

04-21-2014, 09:01 PM	#15
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 900 Thanks: 35 Thanked 461 Times in 193 Posts	If I have some € , I ll be happy having it : nice 45acp , but not the moment , I just buy a 1902 carbine ... __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

04-22-2014, 01:00 AM	#17
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	If you do a search on YouTube, you will find a nice clip of one of these being fired by Herr Werle, selbst. I don't know what powder he was using in his ammo, but it surely smoked like the devil! Sieger