Mauser Luger

gto kid · 02-07-2014, 09:03 PM

Hello all, Just looking for some info on a luger I recently picked up in a barn sale in Vermont. It's a Mauser, Eagle N proofed, 4 3/4 inch barrel, 30 cal. with strawed parts, Blank chamber.
Has a strange serial number 8561 S. From all I can find, it should have a V after the number. With a matching mag.
The blue is in very good shape, about and as far as I can tell it has not been re blued. all numbers match.
Just wondering if anyone has seen or heard of anything like this. I cannot find it in any of the books. I'm not sure what it's worth.

Arizona Slim · 02-07-2014, 10:40 PM

Hi Chris, it is very difficult to give you a good estimate as to a fair value without photos, please take good clear photos from all angles and I'm confident you will get some pretty accurate prices, good luck.

Lon

DavidJayUden · 02-07-2014, 11:25 PM

"It's a Mauser, Eagle N proofed, 4 3/4 inch barrel, 30 cal. with strawed parts, Blank chamber."

Well, you've got me. This is one unusual combination. Interarms Mauser? Or the Fins used 4.75" barrels, but please get us those photos so that we can sort this one out.

dju

guns3545 · 02-08-2014, 08:13 AM

Chris,

First, as others have said it is really difficult, if not impossible to comment without pictures.

But, assuming you know it is a Mauser made Luger because it has a Mauser Banner on the center link and the data on the caliber and barrel length are correct, my SWAG is that it a part of the limited s-series. The Eagle N means it was made after 1940.

1. We know Mauser made some pistols for the Swiss. Some have Crown N and some Eagle Ns which is the Oberndorf Proof house. Some have the Berner Prob as well.

2. There are only a few known s-block Banners and all that I am aware of came out of Switzerland.

Therefore, my SWAG is that this might be a Mauser Banner Commercial made for the Swiss market some time after 1940. I am not aware that we have Mauser production records for the quantity made but I suspect that there were not many. The s-block is an odd lot and contains a mixture of markings and parts leaving one to believe that they were made of parts laying around Oberndorf and not used up by the military.

Again just a SWAG.

John

sheepherder · 02-08-2014, 09:18 AM

Does it have the 'pencil' profile/taper, like the 1900 series Lugers??? Or the later '9mm' profile/taper, like an extended P-08???

You didn't say how you knew it was a Mauser...Does it have the Mauser hump??? Mauser banner??? Mauser pre-wartime S/42 or 42 code???

gto kid · 02-10-2014, 08:54 AM

Hi all, thanks for the input. I will try and get some nice clear pictures up this week.
Chris

Mike B · 02-10-2014, 04:34 PM

Chris,
I have one just exactly like the one you are referring to. I posted it on Jan Still's forum, There is an in depth discussion about this Luger. Enjoy,

MIke

gto kid · 02-11-2014, 07:34 AM

I can't quite figure out how to get the pictures on here. It's asking for a url? Any easy way to down load pictures?

mrerick · 02-11-2014, 08:24 AM

Use the "Go Advanced" option of the post editor. Click on Manage Attachments. You can upload the pictures there.

I generally size pictures for about 1024 pixels horizontal, and use Jpeg compression at 65%. That will make reasonably small files.

It is best to post your pictures here on this site rather than using a photo gallery system elsewhere.

Marc

SteveM · 02-12-2014, 05:58 AM

Use the add reply instead of using quick reply and then you will find the area for uploading the pics.

Sergio Natali · 02-13-2014, 04:23 AM

Chris,

I see many have tried to give some sort off answer, but you see it is almost impossible to comment or give an estimane without pictures.

gto kid · 02-13-2014, 08:49 AM

pictures of mauser barn find

gto kid · 02-13-2014, 09:02 AM

more barn find

guns3545 · 02-13-2014, 10:40 AM

Yep!! Now, virtually certain that it is a late Mauser Banner shipped to Switzerland.

Some of the few observed specimens have had the Kal 7.65mm barrel seen here but most do not. In any case ,the series is a mixed bag with respect to specifications.

See Mike B's posts as he has a s-series Banner.

This series also written up in Joop and Don's book.

John

Ron Wood · 02-13-2014, 01:09 PM

I don't know enough about this variation to make an assessment concerning originality. To me it looks good and is one heck of a barn find! If it is indeed original it has a value in excess of $10,000.
Ron

fred p · 02-13-2014, 02:18 PM

should this have a Mauser hump?

guns3545 · 02-13-2014, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fred p

should this have a Mauser hump?

Short answer is no.

Also note the position of Gesichert.

Just FYI, serial number 8319 s may be found on page 485 of The Mauser Parabellum. A twin of the gun in question here.

John

fred p · 02-13-2014, 04:06 PM

thanks. between the strawing, the lack of hump and the 7.62 cal I wasn't sure. But then I'm not a resident expert here.

I lurk a lot and try to learn but alas I forget more than I learn these days. this is indeed a rare bird.

gto kid · 02-13-2014, 08:44 PM

Thanks guys. Still curios about the s in the s/n. Can't find it but I will look in the books mentioned here and in Still's forum.
Chris

gto kid · 02-13-2014, 08:45 PM

curious

02-07-2014, 09:03 PM	#1
gto kid User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: MA Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Mauser Luger Hello all, Just looking for some info on a luger I recently picked up in a barn sale in Vermont. It's a Mauser, Eagle N proofed, 4 3/4 inch barrel, 30 cal. with strawed parts, Blank chamber. Has a strange serial number 8561 S. From all I can find, it should have a V after the number. With a matching mag. The blue is in very good shape, about and as far as I can tell it has not been re blued. all numbers match. Just wondering if anyone has seen or heard of anything like this. I cannot find it in any of the books. I'm not sure what it's worth.

02-08-2014, 09:18 AM	#5
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	Does it have the 'pencil' profile/taper, like the 1900 series Lugers??? Or the later '9mm' profile/taper, like an extended P-08??? You didn't say how you knew it was a Mauser...Does it have the Mauser hump??? Mauser banner??? Mauser pre-wartime S/42 or 42 code??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

02-11-2014, 08:24 AM	#9
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Use the "Go Advanced" option of the post editor. Click on Manage Attachments. You can upload the pictures there. I generally size pictures for about 1024 pixels horizontal, and use Jpeg compression at 65%. That will make reasonably small files. It is best to post your pictures here on this site rather than using a photo gallery system elsewhere. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-13-2014, 04:23 AM	#11
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Chris, I see many have tried to give some sort off answer, but you see it is almost impossible to comment or give an estimane without pictures. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-13-2014, 08:49 AM	#12
gto kid User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: MA Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	pictures of mauser barn find Attached Thumbnails

02-07-2014, 10:40 PM	#2
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	Hi Chris, it is very difficult to give you a good estimate as to a fair value without photos, please take good clear photos from all angles and I'm confident you will get some pretty accurate prices, good luck. Lon

02-07-2014, 11:25 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	"It's a Mauser, Eagle N proofed, 4 3/4 inch barrel, 30 cal. with strawed parts, Blank chamber." Well, you've got me. This is one unusual combination. Interarms Mauser? Or the Fins used 4.75" barrels, but please get us those photos so that we can sort this one out. dju

02-08-2014, 08:13 AM	#4
guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 435 Thanks: 649 Thanked 490 Times in 216 Posts	Chris, First, as others have said it is really difficult, if not impossible to comment without pictures. But, assuming you know it is a Mauser made Luger because it has a Mauser Banner on the center link and the data on the caliber and barrel length are correct, my SWAG is that it a part of the limited s-series. The Eagle N means it was made after 1940. 1. We know Mauser made some pistols for the Swiss. Some have Crown N and some Eagle Ns which is the Oberndorf Proof house. Some have the Berner Prob as well. 2. There are only a few known s-block Banners and all that I am aware of came out of Switzerland. Therefore, my SWAG is that this might be a Mauser Banner Commercial made for the Swiss market some time after 1940. I am not aware that we have Mauser production records for the quantity made but I suspect that there were not many. The s-block is an odd lot and contains a mixture of markings and parts leaving one to believe that they were made of parts laying around Oberndorf and not used up by the military. Again just a SWAG. John

02-10-2014, 08:54 AM	#6
gto kid User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: MA Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hi all, thanks for the input. I will try and get some nice clear pictures up this week. Chris

02-10-2014, 04:34 PM	#7
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Chris, I have one just exactly like the one you are referring to. I posted it on Jan Still's forum, There is an in depth discussion about this Luger. Enjoy, MIke

02-11-2014, 07:34 AM	#8
gto kid User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: MA Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I can't quite figure out how to get the pictures on here. It's asking for a url? Any easy way to down load pictures?

02-12-2014, 05:58 AM	#10
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Use the add reply instead of using quick reply and then you will find the area for uploading the pics.

02-13-2014, 09:02 AM	#13
gto kid User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: MA Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	more barn find Attached Thumbnails

02-13-2014, 10:40 AM	#14
guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 435 Thanks: 649 Thanked 490 Times in 216 Posts	Yep!! Now, virtually certain that it is a late Mauser Banner shipped to Switzerland. Some of the few observed specimens have had the Kal 7.65mm barrel seen here but most do not. In any case ,the series is a mixed bag with respect to specifications. See Mike B's posts as he has a s-series Banner. This series also written up in Joop and Don's book. John

02-13-2014, 01:09 PM	#15
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	I don't know enough about this variation to make an assessment concerning originality. To me it looks good and is one heck of a barn find! If it is indeed original it has a value in excess of $10,000. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-13-2014, 02:18 PM	#16
fred p User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: N.C. usa Posts: 86 Thanks: 10 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	should this have a Mauser hump? __________________ if it's broke I'll either fix it or I'll fix it so no one else can fix it.

02-13-2014, 04:06 PM	#18
fred p User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: N.C. usa Posts: 86 Thanks: 10 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	thanks. between the strawing, the lack of hump and the 7.62 cal I wasn't sure. But then I'm not a resident expert here. I lurk a lot and try to learn but alas I forget more than I learn these days. this is indeed a rare bird. __________________ if it's broke I'll either fix it or I'll fix it so no one else can fix it.

02-13-2014, 08:44 PM	#19
gto kid User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: MA Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks guys. Still curios about the s in the s/n. Can't find it but I will look in the books mentioned here and in Still's forum. Chris

02-13-2014, 08:45 PM	#20
gto kid User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: MA Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	curious