Swiss 06/24 bern

hayhugh · 10-21-2014, 09:11 PM

Were the SWISS 06/24 BERN sideplate marked with the last two serial numbers only on the bottom of the plate. Would an unmarked reinforced side plate be acceptable?

Sergio Natali · 10-22-2014, 04:13 AM

Hug

What do you mean by unmarked reinforced sideplate?

As far as I know some Model W+F 06 magazine wooden bottoms bear the last two digits of the serial number, but normally I don't think that sideplates shoud bear any number.
Basically we can fid 3 types of the Mod 06 W+F

1st ) is very similar to te older SWM 1900/06 apart the shape of the grips.
2nd) was blued by immersion so all the internal parts are blued, and on some of them we can find a simplified breechblock without the small step on the upper side.
3rd) the latter variation, with blued internal part and simplified trigger plate

But apparently it's quite possible to find the 2nd and 3rd variations mixed up.

Hope to have been clear.

Sergio

hayhugh · 10-22-2014, 05:32 AM

My gun was made (according to the S/N) at the end of the 24 model run. At about the time the trigger plate was strengthen by enlarging the ridge all the way from bottom to top of the plate instead of just !/2 the way up the plate. The gun came with the old un-strengthen trigger plate but with the #22 on the bottom edge instead of the #79 (last two numbers of the S/N)

Sergio Natali · 10-22-2014, 07:19 AM

A picture would surely help, anyway as I said especially towards the production end many pistols were a jigsaw of parts of varying origin, and many of them had a new trigger plate similar to the one of the Mod 29 W+F.

Sergio

hayhugh · 10-22-2014, 09:06 AM

Following link will show the marking on the 06/24 side plate - look at the 4th photo down. Seen when viewed from the bottom:

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/965Swiss06.htm

mrerick · 10-22-2014, 10:27 AM

Hugh,

The work that W&F did on their last Luger design was focused on cost reduction and eliminating manufacturing steps. That is the likely explanation for the change in the profile of the trigger plate.

Since your Luger was made at the time of transition to the later design, it's possible that parts were mixed but I think it's less likely, especially since you found yours with a mismatch.

My side plate does contain the last two digits of the serial number.

Swiss Lugers were regularly maintained and repaired by the Swiss. I don't know if they would mix parts from the different designs in the repair process, or would only replace a trigger plate from new old stock.

Marc

hayhugh · 10-22-2014, 10:36 AM

Are the last two digits of the serial number on your gun on the bottom edge of the side plate or elsewhere? Thank you, Hugh

Sergio Natali · 10-22-2014, 12:08 PM

Now I've understood sorry, yes mine (s/n 32420) has got the last three digits only on the edge like the one of the picture.

Sergio

mrerick · 10-22-2014, 12:38 PM

The last two digits are on the bottom edge of the side plate. Also on the receiver's locking lug, and the rear toggle.

hayhugh · 10-22-2014, 01:39 PM

Well Gentleman, now that we are all on the same page, I am in need of a side plate/trigger plate, with numbers 279 or 79 on the bottom edge of the plate. Thank you, Hugh

Ron Wood · 10-22-2014, 03:10 PM

Hugh,
I'm glad you got it sorted out. Now to address one of my pet peeves. There is no such thing as a "06/24 Bern"...the Swiss started producing these in 1918, not 1924, so the "24" should be dropped and the model could be "1900/06 Waffenfabrik Bern" or just "1906 (or 06) Bern"...anything that indicates it was manufactured by Waffenfabrik Bern, not DWM, and is of the Model 1906 configuration.
Ron

10-21-2014, 09:11 PM	#1
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 856 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Swiss 06/24 bern Were the SWISS 06/24 BERN sideplate marked with the last two serial numbers only on the bottom of the plate. Would an unmarked reinforced side plate be acceptable?

10-22-2014, 07:19 AM	#4
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	A picture would surely help, anyway as I said especially towards the production end many pistols were a jigsaw of parts of varying origin, and many of them had a new trigger plate similar to the one of the Mod 29 W+F. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

10-22-2014, 10:27 AM	#6
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Hugh, The work that W&F did on their last Luger design was focused on cost reduction and eliminating manufacturing steps. That is the likely explanation for the change in the profile of the trigger plate. Since your Luger was made at the time of transition to the later design, it's possible that parts were mixed but I think it's less likely, especially since you found yours with a mismatch. My side plate does contain the last two digits of the serial number. Swiss Lugers were regularly maintained and repaired by the Swiss. I don't know if they would mix parts from the different designs in the repair process, or would only replace a trigger plate from new old stock. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-22-2014, 12:08 PM	#8
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Now I've understood sorry, yes mine (s/n 32420) has got the last three digits only on the edge like the one of the picture. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

10-22-2014, 12:38 PM	#9
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	The last two digits are on the bottom edge of the side plate. Also on the receiver's locking lug, and the rear toggle. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-22-2014, 04:13 AM	#2
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Hug What do you mean by unmarked reinforced sideplate? As far as I know some Model W+F 06 magazine wooden bottoms bear the last two digits of the serial number, but normally I don't think that sideplates shoud bear any number. Basically we can fid 3 types of the Mod 06 W+F 1st ) is very similar to te older SWM 1900/06 apart the shape of the grips. 2nd) was blued by immersion so all the internal parts are blued, and on some of them we can find a simplified breechblock without the small step on the upper side. 3rd) the latter variation, with blued internal part and simplified trigger plate But apparently it's quite possible to find the 2nd and 3rd variations mixed up. Hope to have been clear. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

10-22-2014, 05:32 AM	#3
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 856 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	My gun was made (according to the S/N) at the end of the 24 model run. At about the time the trigger plate was strengthen by enlarging the ridge all the way from bottom to top of the plate instead of just !/2 the way up the plate. The gun came with the old un-strengthen trigger plate but with the #22 on the bottom edge instead of the #79 (last two numbers of the S/N)

10-22-2014, 09:06 AM	#5
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 856 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Following link will show the marking on the 06/24 side plate - look at the 4th photo down. Seen when viewed from the bottom: http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/965Swiss06.htm

10-22-2014, 10:36 AM	#7
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 856 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Are the last two digits of the serial number on your gun on the bottom edge of the side plate or elsewhere? Thank you, Hugh

10-22-2014, 01:39 PM	#10
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 856 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Well Gentleman, now that we are all on the same page, I am in need of a side plate/trigger plate, with numbers 279 or 79 on the bottom edge of the plate. Thank you, Hugh Last edited by hayhugh; 10-22-2014 at 01:42 PM. Reason: ad info

10-22-2014, 03:10 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Hugh, I'm glad you got it sorted out. Now to address one of my pet peeves. There is no such thing as a "06/24 Bern"...the Swiss started producing these in 1918, not 1924, so the "24" should be dropped and the model could be "1900/06 Waffenfabrik Bern" or just "1906 (or 06) Bern"...anything that indicates it was manufactured by Waffenfabrik Bern, not DWM, and is of the Model 1906 configuration. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction