WARNING - boosted "Navy" 1908 Commercial on Gunbroker - Page 2

Zorba · 01-10-2016, 02:38 PM

I don't understand. Its a "1908 Commercial DWM German army" that's a Navy. Riiiiight...

"This is a standard 1934 Model gun designated by collectors as the '36 S/42 Mauser". Huh? Is it a '34 or a '36? Is it a Mauser or a DWM?

"This is a basic collector gun." - that costs $8,500... What?

No pictures of the alleged "Stock lug" - nothing of the back strap whatsoever. Nothing of the toggle either...

DonVoigt · 01-10-2016, 05:01 PM

Besides being a "fake" pistol; the description and pictures seems to have mixed up two different pistols.

Ignore that man behind the curtain!

cirelaw · 01-10-2016, 08:47 PM

"Distraction" I am proud of you all! Eric~

m1903a3 · 01-11-2016, 01:09 AM

It was a 1908 Commercial, so no lug.

Sergio Natali · 01-11-2016, 03:49 AM

The most amazing thing is that "Gunbroker" is using "Phoenixinvestmentarms" beautiful pictures, admittedly they know how to "present" things to make them appear far more valuable to people than they really are.
It's funny to see how a photograph can be deceiving, only a few months ago I saw a COLT 1911A1 advertised for sale with a gunshop site, I knew the seller and the price was interesting but they had taken really awful pictures with the flash and the gun looked interesting at the most for its "parts". A few days later I was able to have a proper "hands on" inspection, I could detail stripped it, and I was simply amazed, that gun was absolutely nice, so in the end I bought it, and now it's showing itself off in my armoured window together with all the others.

DonVoigt · 01-11-2016, 08:43 AM

Sergio,
It is a "PIA" auction, so it makes sense they use their own pictures.

Sergio Natali · 01-11-2016, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Sergio,
It is a "PIA" auction, so it makes sense they use their own pictures.

Sorry I read "GUN BROKER" so I assumed that was an auction held by them.

DonVoigt · 01-11-2016, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Sorry I read "GUN BROKER" so I assumed that was an auction held by them.

Gunbroker is one of the online selling auction sites(Gunauction is the other, there may be more), anyone can list an item for sale there and use their own pictues.

Sergio Natali · 01-11-2016, 01:30 PM

Ahh! that's clear, I didn't know that.
Thanks and have a nice afternoon.

cirelaw · 01-11-2016, 01:48 PM

Stick to who you know!! Eric

Sergio Natali · 01-12-2016, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Stick to who you know!! Eric

Oh yes absolutely, I would never buy anything at a gun auction, mainly for two reasons 1st I'm only a very small collector, and 2nd I would be scared to get a lemon.
Have a nice day Eric.

m1903a3 · 02-22-2016, 01:00 PM

He remains hopeful! After not selling at $8,500 for the past couple of months he has once again relisted it. But he raised the price $1,000!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=543365240

deepdarkwoodsman · 02-22-2016, 02:59 PM

Hi Mike.

My experience with PIA about 10 years ago was very similar to yours. It cost me $500 to buy myself out of a misrepresented gun. My $3895, "all-matching" Black Widow Rig had a mismatched holdopen, droop eagle 63-proofed tool, and spare magazine that was stamped "Made in Italy". How this gentleman can sleep at night I will never know.

Doug

Ben M. · 03-15-2016, 01:33 PM

like this
http://www.wackyy.com/wp-content/upl...-rich-baby.jpg

cirelaw · 03-15-2016, 01:39 PM

I wish it was my baby picture!!

Major Tom · 04-09-2017, 06:27 AM

Browsing thru Ebay, I found multiple auctions for stamps for P08 lugers. There must be a demand for these by fakers. As in any high priced vintage firearms, there are those who wish to dupe the uninformed buyers.

m1903a3 · 08-09-2017, 05:58 PM

Sadly, some sucker took the bait.

http://phoenixinvestmentarms.com/633DWMNav08r.htm

alanint · 08-11-2017, 10:54 AM

OMG! The "M" on that holster looks like it was etched with a hangnail.

I feel sorry for the guy who bought into this boosted lot.

Norme · 08-11-2017, 02:07 PM

This seller claims to take returns, however he charges a 20% "Restocking fee"! That can get expensive.
Norm

Ron Wood · 08-11-2017, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

OMG! The "M" on that holster looks like it was etched with a hangnail.

I feel sorry for the guy who bought into this boosted lot.

Notice that the leather is listed as soft and "subtle" rather than "supple"...perhaps there is a subtle hint there.

Ron

01-10-2016, 05:01 PM	#22
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Besides being a "fake" pistol; the description and pictures seems to have mixed up two different pistols. Ignore that man behind the curtain! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-11-2016, 01:09 AM	#24
m1903a3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 197 Thanks: 26 Thanked 315 Times in 112 Posts	It was a 1908 Commercial, so no lug. __________________ - Mike Life member: NRA, OVMS, VGCA Member: NAPCA, N-SSA(Veteran) Si vis pacem, para bellum

01-11-2016, 03:49 AM	#25
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	The most amazing thing is that "Gunbroker" is using "Phoenixinvestmentarms" beautiful pictures, admittedly they know how to "present" things to make them appear far more valuable to people than they really are. It's funny to see how a photograph can be deceiving, only a few months ago I saw a COLT 1911A1 advertised for sale with a gunshop site, I knew the seller and the price was interesting but they had taken really awful pictures with the flash and the gun looked interesting at the most for its "parts". A few days later I was able to have a proper "hands on" inspection, I could detail stripped it, and I was simply amazed, that gun was absolutely nice, so in the end I bought it, and now it's showing itself off in my armoured window together with all the others. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-11-2016, 08:43 AM	#26
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Sergio, It is a "PIA" auction, so it makes sense they use their own pictures. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-11-2016, 01:30 PM	#29
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Ahh! that's clear, I didn't know that. Thanks and have a nice afternoon. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-10-2016, 02:38 PM	#21
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 951 Thanks: 776 Thanked 526 Times in 289 Posts	I don't understand. Its a "1908 Commercial DWM German army" that's a Navy. Riiiiight... "This is a standard 1934 Model gun designated by collectors as the '36 S/42 Mauser". Huh? Is it a '34 or a '36? Is it a Mauser or a DWM? "This is a basic collector gun." - that costs $8,500... What? No pictures of the alleged "Stock lug" - nothing of the back strap whatsoever. Nothing of the toggle either...

01-10-2016, 08:47 PM	#23
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	"Distraction" I am proud of you all! Eric~

01-11-2016, 01:48 PM	#30
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Stick to who you know!! Eric

02-22-2016, 01:00 PM	#32
m1903a3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 197 Thanks: 26 Thanked 315 Times in 112 Posts	Relisted once again! He remains hopeful! After not selling at $8,500 for the past couple of months he has once again relisted it. But he raised the price $1,000! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=543365240 __________________ - Mike Life member: NRA, OVMS, VGCA Member: NAPCA, N-SSA(Veteran) Si vis pacem, para bellum

02-22-2016, 02:59 PM	#33
deepdarkwoodsman User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 38 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post	Hi Mike. My experience with PIA about 10 years ago was very similar to yours. It cost me $500 to buy myself out of a misrepresented gun. My $3895, "all-matching" Black Widow Rig had a mismatched holdopen, droop eagle 63-proofed tool, and spare magazine that was stamped "Made in Italy". How this gentleman can sleep at night I will never know. Doug

03-15-2016, 01:33 PM	#34
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 474 Thanks: 82 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	like this http://www.wackyy.com/wp-content/upl...-rich-baby.jpg

03-15-2016, 01:39 PM	#35
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I wish it was my baby picture!!

04-09-2017, 06:27 AM	#36
Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 481 Thanks: 531 Thanked 226 Times in 123 Posts	Browsing thru Ebay, I found multiple auctions for stamps for P08 lugers. There must be a demand for these by fakers. As in any high priced vintage firearms, there are those who wish to dupe the uninformed buyers. __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

08-09-2017, 05:58 PM	#37
m1903a3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 197 Thanks: 26 Thanked 315 Times in 112 Posts	Sadly, some sucker took the bait. http://phoenixinvestmentarms.com/633DWMNav08r.htm __________________ - Mike Life member: NRA, OVMS, VGCA Member: NAPCA, N-SSA(Veteran) Si vis pacem, para bellum

08-11-2017, 10:54 AM	#38
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	OMG! The "M" on that holster looks like it was etched with a hangnail. I feel sorry for the guy who bought into this boosted lot.

08-11-2017, 02:07 PM	#39
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	This seller claims to take returns, however he charges a 20% "Restocking fee"! That can get expensive. Norm