Is this a naval issued Luger? - Page 2

Sergio Natali · 12-24-2014, 05:35 AM

Robert

The so called "Mauser hump" is found on the early K/dates (1934), but can be also found more or less throughout the whole K/date production. Last K/dates don't always have it while generally G/dates and 1936 made Lugers do not. Apparently in 1937 the so called "hump" became some sort of standard production procedure.
The S/42 (1934-1939) made in 1937 is full of different "variations" with hump and without it.

Sergio

todesengel · 12-24-2014, 08:39 AM

Thank you Sergio. Lot to learn

sheepherder · 12-24-2014, 09:40 AM

Norm/others -

Is there any significance to the dot between/beside the "N" and the rack number on the backstrap???

Is this common among Naval or other 'racked' German weapons???

Norme · 12-24-2014, 10:08 AM

Hi Rich, I think that "period" is just a slip on the part of the pantograph operator. Most Nazi era marks do not have periods. Those Naval property marks were not applied at the factory, they were engraved at the dockyard, sometimes rather carelessly.
Regards, Norm

Sergio Natali · 12-24-2014, 10:15 AM

As far as I know the so called "KRIEGSMARINE VARIATION" should have the "N" property number written crosswise, or the "O." (dotted) property number stamped lenghtwise on front strap.
So, as far as I know the letter "N" should not be dotted, in fact I don't think that mark has anything to do with the Navy property number.
IMHO

Sergio

todesengel · 12-24-2014, 02:08 PM

Holster pics
1939 FR.OFFERMANN&SOHN, BENSBERG
can barely make out other stamp that is lower and between the belt loops but it is pretty much destroyed, apparently by the leather from the belt rubbing against the leather from the holster and maybe sea spray?. Either way it is a pity.

todesengel · 12-24-2014, 06:58 PM

Please disregard and close. Thank you

SteveM · 12-26-2014, 10:51 AM

I missed this, where are the pics? Did the OP already remove them? Why do people do this?

DavidJayUden · 12-26-2014, 12:00 PM

O.P. apparently removed them on Tuesday. No worldly idea why, but guessing that he sold it.
dju

todesengel · 12-26-2014, 12:11 PM

I did not sell this pistol, nor do I have intent to.

The thread was pretty much dead with little to no traffic so when I moved the pictures to a folder and it broke the link I did not bother to re-post the images and asked that it be closed. HTH

DavidJayUden · 12-26-2014, 12:47 PM

H:
Thanks for the explanation. However we value those photos (and their threads) for future reference.
dju

todesengel · 12-26-2014, 01:09 PM

David,
I understand and want to tell you thank you for your participation in the thread.

This thread had 454 views, and 30 responses, 14 of which were from me and 4 of which pertained to a lack of pictures. That was not just this site but another luger forum as well. I suppose I just expected more participation for something like this and maybe that was unrealistic.

I sincerely do appreciate everyone who participated and passed information to me but it looks like at this point it is just time for me to buy some books and start reading for myself.

Thanks

SteveM · 12-26-2014, 02:32 PM

This isn't even a week old and it appears pics were taken down after 2 days. There are some who don't visit this site but maybe once a week. There are others who are lurkers and never comment but visit every day. The holidays are here and people are busy with other things. Some of those 454 hits were from people who have no interest in WW2 navies(and couldn't care less) but love the Imperial era and wouldn't know a ww2 Navy if it hit them on the head.There may have been other comments with information that may have been useful to you. Someone may have come along and happen to have an orphan mag that matches your Luger. Like dju said, the pics and comments are a valuable resource for the site(and to the OP if he keeps up with it).

todesengel · 12-26-2014, 02:40 PM

Alright Steve, I will post the links up but I am not going to participate in the thread any longer, and see if there is an option to shut off receiving pm's and emails from members.

I will leave the pics up as long as I do not need the room on the server so anyone who would like the pics may wish to save them.

Happy New Year

todesengel · 12-26-2014, 02:53 PM

Pics re-posted in 1 and 3.

Please do not pm, or email me offers to buy.

todesengel · 12-26-2014, 04:50 PM

todesengel · 12-26-2014, 04:55 PM

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sheepherder · 12-26-2014, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by todesengel

I did not sell this pistol, nor do I have intent to.

The thread was pretty much dead with little to no traffic so when I moved the pictures to a folder and it broke the link I did not bother to re-post the images and asked that it be closed. HTH

Quote:

This thread had 454 views, and 30 responses, 14 of which were from me and 4 of which pertained to a lack of pictures. That was not just this site but another luger forum as well. I suppose I just expected more participation for something like this and maybe that was unrealistic.

Quote:

but I am not going to participate in the thread any longer, and see if there is an option to shut off receiving pm's and emails from members.

Quote:

Please do not pm, or email me offers to buy.

Moving on to another forum sounds like a good idea. The average age of forum members here (some 11,800+) is ~75 years old. Members here tend to take things slower than younger forums. Forgetfulness is another trait. Plus, not all members here are as well versed in Lugers as some...I never knew that a N on the backstrap meant a Navy Luger (I thought it was just the nested M/crown).

I'll post your holster pics for posterity. Maybe someone can identify them so this thread won't be a complete waste of time. (Pics posted off-site are lost forever).

We enjoyed your pics and comments! Have a great time on your next forum!

DavidJayUden · 12-26-2014, 09:39 PM

Those are some great photos. Thank you!
Want to sell it?
dju

PS: Just kidding...

alvin · 12-27-2014, 06:47 AM

This is a great instance. Don't know navy pistols, but as a collector once said, "put a good gun on table, the gun speaks for itself" (not exact words), and this gun is such an example.

Did the gun come from an auction? The three pictures (with transparent white background) posted were taken by a professional photographer. Most collectors cannot make gun pictures of this quality at home.

I heard M over something was acceptance mark. N followed by number was property mark.

12-24-2014, 05:35 AM	#21
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Robert The so called "Mauser hump" is found on the early K/dates (1934), but can be also found more or less throughout the whole K/date production. Last K/dates don't always have it while generally G/dates and 1936 made Lugers do not. Apparently in 1937 the so called "hump" became some sort of standard production procedure. The S/42 (1934-1939) made in 1937 is full of different "variations" with hump and without it. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

12-24-2014, 09:40 AM	#23
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	Norm/others - Is there any significance to the dot between/beside the "N" and the rack number on the backstrap??? Is this common among Naval or other 'racked' German weapons??? Attached Images __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

12-24-2014, 10:08 AM	#24
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi Rich, I think that "period" is just a slip on the part of the pantograph operator. Most Nazi era marks do not have periods. Those Naval property marks were not applied at the factory, they were engraved at the dockyard, sometimes rather carelessly. Regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

12-24-2014, 10:15 AM	#25
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	As far as I know the so called "KRIEGSMARINE VARIATION" should have the "N" property number written crosswise, or the "O." (dotted) property number stamped lenghtwise on front strap. So, as far as I know the letter "N" should not be dotted, in fact I don't think that mark has anything to do with the Navy property number. IMHO Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

12-24-2014, 02:08 PM	#26
todesengel User Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 25 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Holster pics 1939 FR.OFFERMANN&SOHN, BENSBERG can barely make out other stamp that is lower and between the belt loops but it is pretty much destroyed, apparently by the leather from the belt rubbing against the leather from the holster and maybe sea spray?. Either way it is a pity. Last edited by todesengel; 12-24-2014 at 06:59 PM.

12-24-2014, 08:39 AM	#22
todesengel User Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 25 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Thank you Sergio. Lot to learn

12-24-2014, 06:58 PM	#27
todesengel User Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 25 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Please disregard and close. Thank you

12-26-2014, 10:51 AM	#28
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	I missed this, where are the pics? Did the OP already remove them? Why do people do this?

12-26-2014, 12:00 PM	#29
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	O.P. apparently removed them on Tuesday. No worldly idea why, but guessing that he sold it. dju

12-26-2014, 12:11 PM	#30
todesengel User Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 25 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	I did not sell this pistol, nor do I have intent to. The thread was pretty much dead with little to no traffic so when I moved the pictures to a folder and it broke the link I did not bother to re-post the images and asked that it be closed. HTH

12-26-2014, 12:47 PM	#31
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	H: Thanks for the explanation. However we value those photos (and their threads) for future reference. dju

12-26-2014, 01:09 PM	#32
todesengel User Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 25 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	David, I understand and want to tell you thank you for your participation in the thread. This thread had 454 views, and 30 responses, 14 of which were from me and 4 of which pertained to a lack of pictures. That was not just this site but another luger forum as well. I suppose I just expected more participation for something like this and maybe that was unrealistic. I sincerely do appreciate everyone who participated and passed information to me but it looks like at this point it is just time for me to buy some books and start reading for myself. Thanks

12-26-2014, 02:32 PM	#33
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	This isn't even a week old and it appears pics were taken down after 2 days. There are some who don't visit this site but maybe once a week. There are others who are lurkers and never comment but visit every day. The holidays are here and people are busy with other things. Some of those 454 hits were from people who have no interest in WW2 navies(and couldn't care less) but love the Imperial era and wouldn't know a ww2 Navy if it hit them on the head.There may have been other comments with information that may have been useful to you. Someone may have come along and happen to have an orphan mag that matches your Luger. Like dju said, the pics and comments are a valuable resource for the site(and to the OP if he keeps up with it).

12-26-2014, 02:40 PM	#34
todesengel User Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 25 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Alright Steve, I will post the links up but I am not going to participate in the thread any longer, and see if there is an option to shut off receiving pm's and emails from members. I will leave the pics up as long as I do not need the room on the server so anyone who would like the pics may wish to save them. Happy New Year

12-26-2014, 02:53 PM	#35
todesengel User Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 25 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Pics re-posted in 1 and 3. Please do not pm, or email me offers to buy.

12-26-2014, 04:50 PM	#36
todesengel User Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 25 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts

12-26-2014, 04:55 PM	#37
todesengel User Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 25 Thanks: 7 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	[

12-26-2014, 09:39 PM	#39
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Those are some great photos. Thank you! Want to sell it? dju PS: Just kidding...

12-27-2014, 06:47 AM	#40
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	This is a great instance. Don't know navy pistols, but as a collector once said, "put a good gun on table, the gun speaks for itself" (not exact words), and this gun is such an example. Did the gun come from an auction? The three pictures (with transparent white background) posted were taken by a professional photographer. Most collectors cannot make gun pictures of this quality at home. I heard M over something was acceptance mark. N followed by number was property mark.