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Edward Tinker · 08-19-2007, 10:08 AM

early navies, later ones were built the same. Remember, these were all new ideas at the time and they were trying different combinations or requirments by gov'ts (sometimes wild ideas were tried)...

ed

PS: lugers don't have clips

Ron Smith · 08-19-2007, 10:13 AM

I'm still trying to figure this one out. Probably a fake ,but no difinitive answer yet...

larry · 08-19-2007, 09:16 PM

Drbuster,
The only Navy I have is a 1908 and it has the wide flange. I have become so disillusioned over the years with the way Lugers have been enhanced that I just stay away from the high end Lugers.

Another reason is I just don't have that kind of money to tie up in a collectable grade Luger.

larry

Tim Reynolds · 08-19-2007, 09:22 PM

Ed, according to Webster's dictionary Lugers do indeed have "CLIPS"

drbuster · 08-19-2007, 09:27 PM

Tim, you raise a very interesting point as to WHY the wide flange. Ed's opinion is as reasonable as any others. But you are correct (I think)..the 1908 and later Navies were the only lugers with the wide flange. It would be nice to take a poll of the 1908 and later Navies to see which ones do not have the wide flange. But then a controversy would certainly ensue challenging the authenticity of the narrow flanged guns.

Edward Tinker · 08-19-2007, 09:29 PM

It says in Websters that lugers feed rounds from "clips"? Interesting, and I don't really mind either way, but long time collectors have always told me; pistols have magazines, rifles feed from clips (ala M1 Garand, Arisaka, Enfield, etc).

You use a clip to load some pistols, i.e. Mannlichers, Broomhandles, etc., but generally you use magazines.

Ed

Tim Reynolds · 08-19-2007, 09:40 PM

It defines the meaning of the word clip.It says nothing about Lugers. Words take on the meaning of how people use them.What once was may no longer be "correct"

Edward Tinker · 08-19-2007, 09:42 PM

Tim, you are correct and I apoligize if my manner or remarks offended. Did not mean it that way, was probably malibu and orange juice that wrote my 1st remark anyway.

Tim Reynolds · 08-20-2007, 08:24 AM

Ed,No offense was taken.I just like to have interesting conversations with people.Enough of that,now back to the flange.It must have something to do with the Navy rear sight on the rear link.It may be ease of disassembly or putting it back together the same way evertime. Anybodys guess.

Navy · 08-20-2007, 10:10 AM

Ron,

The tool is completely bogus.

Tom A

Pete Ebbink · 11-17-2007, 12:17 PM

Ron/Tom...

I am sure that tool can be traced to Popeye (who served on Imperial U-boats before coming to the cartoon-world in the USA) with a provenance letter found in TX state...

grapppa · 11-17-2007, 04:16 PM

Just out of curiosity, were the stamps applied before or after phosphating?

Navy · 11-17-2007, 05:23 PM

After.

Tom A

08-19-2007, 10:08 AM	#21
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	early navies, later ones were built the same. Remember, these were all new ideas at the time and they were trying different combinations or requirments by gov'ts (sometimes wild ideas were tried)... ed PS: lugers don't have clips __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-19-2007, 10:13 AM	#22
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	I'm still trying to figure this one out. Probably a fake ,but no difinitive answer yet... __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-19-2007, 09:16 PM	#23
larry User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 106 Thanks: 26 Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts	Disillusioned Drbuster, The only Navy I have is a 1908 and it has the wide flange. I have become so disillusioned over the years with the way Lugers have been enhanced that I just stay away from the high end Lugers. Another reason is I just don't have that kind of money to tie up in a collectable grade Luger. larry

08-19-2007, 09:22 PM	#24
Tim Reynolds User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed, according to Webster's dictionary Lugers do indeed have "CLIPS" __________________ If the magazine does not match,it is a mismatched Luger

08-19-2007, 09:29 PM	#26
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	It says in Websters that lugers feed rounds from "clips"? Interesting, and I don't really mind either way, but long time collectors have always told me; pistols have magazines, rifles feed from clips (ala M1 Garand, Arisaka, Enfield, etc). You use a clip to load some pistols, i.e. Mannlichers, Broomhandles, etc., but generally you use magazines. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-19-2007, 09:27 PM	#25
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Tim, you raise a very interesting point as to WHY the wide flange. Ed's opinion is as reasonable as any others. But you are correct (I think)..the 1908 and later Navies were the only lugers with the wide flange. It would be nice to take a poll of the 1908 and later Navies to see which ones do not have the wide flange. But then a controversy would certainly ensue challenging the authenticity of the narrow flanged guns.

08-19-2007, 09:40 PM	#27
Tim Reynolds User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It defines the meaning of the word clip.It says nothing about Lugers. Words take on the meaning of how people use them.What once was may no longer be "correct" __________________ If the magazine does not match,it is a mismatched Luger

08-19-2007, 09:42 PM	#28
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Tim, you are correct and I apoligize if my manner or remarks offended. Did not mean it that way, was probably malibu and orange juice that wrote my 1st remark anyway. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-20-2007, 08:24 AM	#29
Tim Reynolds User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed,No offense was taken.I just like to have interesting conversations with people.Enough of that,now back to the flange.It must have something to do with the Navy rear sight on the rear link.It may be ease of disassembly or putting it back together the same way evertime. Anybodys guess. __________________ If the magazine does not match,it is a mismatched Luger

08-20-2007, 10:10 AM	#30
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Ron, The tool is completely bogus. Tom A

11-17-2007, 12:17 PM	#31
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Ron/Tom... I am sure that tool can be traced to Popeye (who served on Imperial U-boats before coming to the cartoon-world in the USA) with a provenance letter found in TX state...

11-17-2007, 04:16 PM	#32
grapppa User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just out of curiosity, were the stamps applied before or after phosphating?

11-17-2007, 05:23 PM	#33
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	After. Tom A