NOS 4inch Luger barrels

oldmannow · 04-13-2014, 06:53 PM

Hi new to this forum, but have been a member on Jans forum. My father brought back from WW2 several Luger related items and a 1938 s/42 Luger. The thing I'm inquiring about is the value of 4 NOS Luger barrels he has brought back. Anyone care to venture a guess at what they might be worth?
The barrels are pristine never been installed on a gun.

Edward Tinker · 04-13-2014, 07:08 PM

Are the bores not shiny and clear of light pitting?

If selling on ebay, maybe $100-$150 if in that condition (not pristine inside)?

If actually much nicer than closer to $200 - but that is pushing retail IMO

And I seem to remember hearing about these a few years ago

oldmannow · 04-13-2014, 07:25 PM

Ed I did have these on Jans forum. I have not run a brush or patch down these barrels. I am thinking it's either some grease or dust w/grease. I'll check them later and get back. Thanks for the reply

sheepherder · 04-13-2014, 08:03 PM

I sure hope that's grease! [Pic below]

Might want to clean those out before you post them for sale.

There has been quite a few NOS 4" barrels on GB/eBay in the last year or so; $200 does seem to be top [asking] price...No idea what they have actually sold for...

mrerick · 04-13-2014, 08:03 PM

The E/623 inspector was apparently active at:

WaA623 660 Steyr-Daimler-Puch
Steyr (AT) 1939-40 WaA623 bnz Steyr-Daimler-Puch
Steyr (AT) 1940-45
Also a reference to him being at Radom in Poland.

marc

oldmannow · 04-13-2014, 08:13 PM

Ed my curiosity got the better of me and I had to find out if the insides of the barrels were as nice as the outsides. I ran a brush down two of them with some solvent(gun scrubber I think).
And took two pictures. It WAS grease with some dust. Must have been in there since he got them. Where my father got them is anybodys guess. Never was told the story before he passed. Anyway here is the photos of the insides.

Dwight Gruber · 04-14-2014, 10:24 AM

At least one of these barrels has a witness mark.

--Dwight

Ron Wood · 04-14-2014, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

At least one of these barrels has a witness mark.

--Dwight

I can't see one. The barrel on the right might look like a withness mark on the flange but I think it is just a light reflection.

John Sabato · 04-14-2014, 12:24 PM

Dwight, I concur with Ron Wood. I don't see any witness marks... only reflections...

Sergio Natali · 04-14-2014, 12:44 PM

Maybe or maybe not, I've examined al those photos, I can't really tell for sure if that mark is a "witness mark", probably not, only "Oldmannow" can tell it.

318is_Parabellum · 04-14-2014, 02:34 PM

I've a Steyr 660 code 1940 k98 with the same 623 WaffenAmt stamps.

DavidJayUden · 04-14-2014, 06:39 PM

Gents:
Look at the very first photo. Witness mark?
dju

G.T. · 04-14-2014, 07:06 PM

I have bought quite a few over the years.. the Steyr are by far the most common.. Mauser marked ones, are somewhat more rare??... I have paid between $75.00 to $150.00 for examples as shown above.. and sold them for $100.00 to $150.00 as well... never got $175.00 for any of them??... I need items just like that for my re-barreling service...I would be interested in all four if priced attractively??...

... best to all, til...lat'r.....GT

Mike B · 04-14-2014, 07:28 PM

This begs the question; what else might have been in arms reach? Does anyone have a time machine handy?

Mike

oldmannow · 04-14-2014, 08:54 PM

My My We are a skeptical bunch in this forum. If you would look at my first post picture # 1 and # 2 there is a 623 WaffenAmt stamp. I promise you all 4 have the same numbers.
I don't have a time machine but can share some of the other stuff my father brought back from the war.

sheepherder · 04-14-2014, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldmannow

My My We are a skeptical bunch in this forum. If you would look at my first post picture # 1 and # 2 there is a 623 WaffenAmt stamp.

they are talking about a 'witness mark', a small hash mark about 1/8" long stamped across the barrel flange.

It aligns with a similar mark on the receiver. Sometimes.

oldmannow · 04-14-2014, 09:51 PM

My bad.. I was confused. I thought they were speaking of the WaffenAmt stamps. There are no witness marks on any of the barrels. Is that a bad thing?

sheepherder · 04-14-2014, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldmannow

My bad.. I was confused. I thought they were speaking of the WaffenAmt stamps. There are no witness marks on any of the barrels. Is that a bad thing?

No, not at all. It most probably means they are not 'pulls', but are, as you stated, old stock that was never installed.

DavidJayUden · 04-14-2014, 10:56 PM

So, Oldmannow, is that a straight line across the flange ring in the very first photo. It should be on the very bottom of the barrel, 180 degrees opposite the front sight block.
dju

alanint · 04-15-2014, 06:27 AM

I don't see anything remotely resembling a witness mark after enlarging the photos. It is simply a reflection.
Oldmannow, it seems your Father had access to the Mauser factory either end of war or immediately post war.

Any stories to share?

04-13-2014, 06:53 PM	#1
oldmannow User Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	NOS 4inch Luger barrels Hi new to this forum, but have been a member on Jans forum. My father brought back from WW2 several Luger related items and a 1938 s/42 Luger. The thing I'm inquiring about is the value of 4 NOS Luger barrels he has brought back. Anyone care to venture a guess at what they might be worth? The barrels are pristine never been installed on a gun. Attached Thumbnails

04-13-2014, 07:08 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Are the bores not shiny and clear of light pitting? If selling on ebay, maybe $100-$150 if in that condition (not pristine inside)? If actually much nicer than closer to $200 - but that is pushing retail IMO And I seem to remember hearing about these a few years ago __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-13-2014, 08:03 PM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	I sure hope that's grease! [Pic below] Might want to clean those out before you post them for sale. There has been quite a few NOS 4" barrels on GB/eBay in the last year or so; $200 does seem to be top [asking] price...No idea what they have actually sold for... Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

04-13-2014, 08:03 PM	#5
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	The E/623 inspector was apparently active at: WaA623 660 Steyr-Daimler-Puch Steyr (AT) 1939-40 WaA623 bnz Steyr-Daimler-Puch Steyr (AT) 1940-45 Also a reference to him being at Radom in Poland. marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

04-13-2014, 08:13 PM	#6
oldmannow User Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	NOS barrels Ed my curiosity got the better of me and I had to find out if the insides of the barrels were as nice as the outsides. I ran a brush down two of them with some solvent(gun scrubber I think). And took two pictures. It WAS grease with some dust. Must have been in there since he got them. Where my father got them is anybodys guess. Never was told the story before he passed. Anyway here is the photos of the insides. Attached Thumbnails

04-13-2014, 07:25 PM	#3
oldmannow User Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ed I did have these on Jans forum. I have not run a brush or patch down these barrels. I am thinking it's either some grease or dust w/grease. I'll check them later and get back. Thanks for the reply

04-14-2014, 10:24 AM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	At least one of these barrels has a witness mark. --Dwight

04-14-2014, 12:24 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Dwight, I concur with Ron Wood. I don't see any witness marks... only reflections... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-14-2014, 12:44 PM	#10
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Maybe or maybe not, I've examined al those photos, I can't really tell for sure if that mark is a "witness mark", probably not, only "Oldmannow" can tell it. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

04-14-2014, 02:34 PM	#11
318is_Parabellum User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: West Virginia Posts: 130 Thanks: 80 Thanked 75 Times in 31 Posts	I've a Steyr 660 code 1940 k98 with the same 623 WaffenAmt stamps.

04-14-2014, 06:39 PM	#12
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Gents: Look at the very first photo. Witness mark? dju

04-14-2014, 07:06 PM	#13
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,283 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	4" replacement barrels... I have bought quite a few over the years.. the Steyr are by far the most common.. Mauser marked ones, are somewhat more rare??... I have paid between $75.00 to $150.00 for examples as shown above.. and sold them for $100.00 to $150.00 as well... never got $175.00 for any of them??... I need items just like that for my re-barreling service...I would be interested in all four if priced attractively??... ... best to all, til...lat'r.....GT

04-14-2014, 07:28 PM	#14
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	This begs the question; what else might have been in arms reach? Does anyone have a time machine handy? Mike

04-14-2014, 08:54 PM	#15
oldmannow User Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	My My We are a skeptical bunch in this forum. If you would look at my first post picture # 1 and # 2 there is a 623 WaffenAmt stamp. I promise you all 4 have the same numbers. I don't have a time machine but can share some of the other stuff my father brought back from the war. Attached Thumbnails

04-14-2014, 09:51 PM	#17
oldmannow User Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	My bad.. I was confused. I thought they were speaking of the WaffenAmt stamps. There are no witness marks on any of the barrels. Is that a bad thing?

04-14-2014, 10:56 PM	#19
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	So, Oldmannow, is that a straight line across the flange ring in the very first photo. It should be on the very bottom of the barrel, 180 degrees opposite the front sight block. dju

04-15-2014, 06:27 AM	#20
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I don't see anything remotely resembling a witness mark after enlarging the photos. It is simply a reflection. Oldmannow, it seems your Father had access to the Mauser factory either end of war or immediately post war. Any stories to share?