Rear toggle pin question

vincent · 10-26-2002, 06:04 PM

I have a 1939 Luger with a 42 mark on it the top of the toggle. I have taken the luger completely apart and all parts are matching with an 07. the only part I have a question about is the rear toggle connecting pin. It has an 02 on the left side. I have looked in several books and there is no mention of the toggle pin itself having a number. Does this mean that my Luger is not matching? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeff Vincent

Navy · 10-26-2002, 07:12 PM

Hi Jeff,

Yes, it means your gun is not matching.

Tom A.

Roadkill · 10-26-2002, 07:45 PM

Just a suggestion, study the "02" very carefully. The German "7 & 2" can easily be misread depending on the type of stamp used. Use a magnifying glass and look close. Tom, if the pin were not numbered would it be "nonmatching" for a
1939 mauser?

rk

MauserLugers · 10-26-2002, 10:07 PM

Hi rk,
Yes, if the rear connecting pin was blank, it would still be a non-matching 1939/42 Luger. All military Mauser Lugers had the rear conneting pin numbered with the last two digits originally when they left the factory. No exceptions.

vincent · 10-27-2002, 07:25 AM

Thanks for the help. How does this one nonmatching piece influence the value of the gun? The Luger is otherwise a 85-90 percent gun. What would the value be?

Navy · 10-27-2002, 08:29 AM

Hi Vincent,

The bad news is that as it is mismatched it is nothing but a shooter from a collector's standpoint. In the condition you describe, it should bring about $350-400.

Tom A.

Thor · 10-27-2002, 12:03 PM

Shooter Luger prices have certainly gone up in the past two years. I think the recent imports have just about dried up and that pushs the shooter prices up.

BILL · 10-27-2002, 03:11 PM

I agree that shooter prices have gone up. A toggle pin that is mismatched does technically make it a mismatch Luger but in the scope of serious collectors (and wannabes) this would only be a dickering point to talk someone down in price. No decent Lugers are being sold for under $500 anymore. I remember all the 'collectors' talking about "common variety" Lugers for $300 about 25 years ago and all complaining that they couldn't find any! Guess what? There still aren't any! Good condition Lugers (mismatches, restored, refinished, etc) are worth around $500 as a good starting price. Really nice ones are going for around a grand. The times have caught up with the old timers and the dreamers.

10-26-2002, 06:04 PM	#1
vincent New User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Joelton, TN Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Rear toggle pin question I have a 1939 Luger with a 42 mark on it the top of the toggle. I have taken the luger completely apart and all parts are matching with an 07. the only part I have a question about is the rear toggle connecting pin. It has an 02 on the left side. I have looked in several books and there is no mention of the toggle pin itself having a number. Does this mean that my Luger is not matching? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeff Vincent

10-27-2002, 12:03 PM	#7
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Shooter Luger prices have certainly gone up in the past two years. I think the recent imports have just about dried up and that pushs the shooter prices up. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

10-27-2002, 03:11 PM	#8
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I agree that shooter prices have gone up. A toggle pin that is mismatched does technically make it a mismatch Luger but in the scope of serious collectors (and wannabes) this would only be a dickering point to talk someone down in price. No decent Lugers are being sold for under $500 anymore. I remember all the 'collectors' talking about "common variety" Lugers for $300 about 25 years ago and all complaining that they couldn't find any! Guess what? There still aren't any! Good condition Lugers (mismatches, restored, refinished, etc) are worth around $500 as a good starting price. Really nice ones are going for around a grand. The times have caught up with the old timers and the dreamers. __________________ *"Take me to your Luger!"*

10-26-2002, 07:12 PM	#2
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hi Jeff, Yes, it means your gun is not matching. Tom A.

10-26-2002, 07:45 PM	#3
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Just a suggestion, study the "02" very carefully. The German "7 & 2" can easily be misread depending on the type of stamp used. Use a magnifying glass and look close. Tom, if the pin were not numbered would it be "nonmatching" for a 1939 mauser? rk

10-26-2002, 10:07 PM	#4
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Hi rk, Yes, if the rear connecting pin was blank, it would still be a non-matching 1939/42 Luger. All military Mauser Lugers had the rear conneting pin numbered with the last two digits originally when they left the factory. No exceptions.

10-27-2002, 07:25 AM	#5
vincent New User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Joelton, TN Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the help. How does this one nonmatching piece influence the value of the gun? The Luger is otherwise a 85-90 percent gun. What would the value be?

10-27-2002, 08:29 AM	#6
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hi Vincent, The bad news is that as it is mismatched it is nothing but a shooter from a collector's standpoint. In the condition you describe, it should bring about $350-400. Tom A.