OT, but what is this?

Edward Tinker · 10-02-2002, 10:37 AM

A new forum member named John U, has collected many guns over the years, but is new to computers and asked if I would post this for him.

John U @ mailto:skinnyfox@attbi.comskinnyfox@attbi.com</a>

John Sabato · 10-02-2002, 11:49 AM

I don't recognize the caliber (5.3mm), and I don't know how you got it home, but You should be glad that the stock never made it to the U.S.

If you possessed all the components (i.e. the stock) to assemble this gun, you would be in violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934 by possessing what is defined as a short barreled rifle (SBR) that wasn't registered with the Treasury ATF...

A "rifle", to be legal, must be have at least a 16 inch barrel measured from the muzzle to the breechface, and the overall length must be at least 26.5 inches... fail to meet one of these requirements in a shoulder-stocked weapon, and you have just become a federal felon...IF you haven't pre-registered the weapon with the ATF prior to manufacture...

The same thing applies to creation of a pistol from what was originally manufactured as a rifle.

If I were you, I would have the barrel removed and discard it or give it to someone else. You can then have it barreled to .22 LR caliber with a legal length of at least 16 inches, and then have a custom stock fabricated for it. It should make a fine plinker.

Don · 10-02-2002, 01:10 PM

John, how does the 26.5" overall length affect folding stock rifles I see for sale, such as the M1 Carbine "Paratrooper" model and the AR 15's?

John Sabato · 10-02-2002, 01:35 PM

They must meet that 26.5" requirement. There is no problem meeting this requirement for M-1 Carbines and AR-15 rifles... because the folded length is greater than 26.5"

Some of the shorter barrel AR's do fall under SBR requirements. You have to be careful, just because you can assemble something neat from readily available parts doesn't mean that possession of the complete set of the parts or the assembled item will be legal.

To create or manufacture one of these shortened versions, you must first pay the $200 tax and get approval to do so from ATF. If you do it after the fact, you have violated the law.

Know the law to stay out of trouble, and if you don't know the law yourself...get answers from someone who does.

*CG* · 10-02-2002, 07:58 PM

It's a pistol not a rifle. Wanna sell it? My bolt handle is broken. Mine was owned by a friend who was a WWII vet. He brought it home from Germany but I'm not sure when. You should see the looks I get at the range with this thing.

Wilber · 10-02-2002, 09:15 PM

Holly Crap
Thats the same dam thing I have,Ya its 22 I shot it.Hope you dont mind but I copied your pic. will attempt to make one. Thanks a bunch.
John <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Wilber · 10-02-2002, 09:17 PM

Oh Ya
Someone said its Belgiqe, not German,what do you think?
John [img]confused.gif[/img]

*CG* · 10-02-2002, 09:27 PM

I don't know much about the markings. Mine has B,G,U w/some crowns over them. I shoot long, shorts and the super colibri when I want to shoot in the yard.

Lugerdoc · 10-03-2002, 09:18 AM

The barreled action show is very similiar in appearance to the new Henry mini-bolt 22lr kids rifle. If you can find one in a local store, you may want to see if your action fits stock. If so, it may be easier to cut down one of these stocks, than to build one from scratch. Tom H.

Wilber · 10-03-2002, 05:12 PM

Tom
Very good idea, Ill take a look, I have a winchester Thumb model thats about the right size, but dont want to buba that up.
John <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

10-02-2002, 10:37 AM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,914 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,504 Times in 2,079 Posts	OT, but what is this? A new forum member named John U, has collected many guns over the years, but is new to computers and asked if I would post this for him. John U @ mailto:skinnyfox@attbi.comskinnyfox@attbi.com</a> __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-02-2002, 11:49 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I don't recognize the caliber (5.3mm), and I don't know how you got it home, but You should be glad that the stock never made it to the U.S. If you possessed all the components (i.e. the stock) to assemble this gun, you would be in violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934 by possessing what is defined as a short barreled rifle (SBR) that wasn't registered with the Treasury ATF... A "rifle", to be legal, must be have at least a 16 inch barrel measured from the muzzle to the breechface, and the overall length must be at least 26.5 inches... fail to meet one of these requirements in a shoulder-stocked weapon, and you have just become a federal felon...IF you haven't pre-registered the weapon with the ATF prior to manufacture... The same thing applies to creation of a pistol from what was originally manufactured as a rifle. If I were you, I would have the barrel removed and discard it or give it to someone else. You can then have it barreled to .22 LR caliber with a legal length of at least 16 inches, and then have a custom stock fabricated for it. It should make a fine plinker. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-02-2002, 01:35 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	They must meet that 26.5" requirement. There is no problem meeting this requirement for M-1 Carbines and AR-15 rifles... because the folded length is greater than 26.5" Some of the shorter barrel AR's do fall under SBR requirements. You have to be careful, just because you can assemble something neat from readily available parts doesn't mean that possession of the complete set of the parts or the assembled item will be legal. To create or manufacture one of these shortened versions, you must first pay the $200 tax and get approval to do so from ATF. If you do it after the fact, you have violated the law. Know the law to stay out of trouble, and if you don't know the law yourself...get answers from someone who does. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-02-2002, 09:15 PM	#6
Wilber User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: east coast Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Holly Crap Thats the same dam thing I have,Ya its 22 I shot it.Hope you dont mind but I copied your pic. will attempt to make one. Thanks a bunch. John <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> __________________ J.R.U.

10-02-2002, 09:17 PM	#7
Wilber User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: east coast Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh Ya Someone said its Belgiqe, not German,what do you think? John [img]confused.gif[/img] __________________ J.R.U.

10-02-2002, 01:10 PM	#3
Don User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 146 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John, how does the 26.5" overall length affect folding stock rifles I see for sale, such as the M1 Carbine "Paratrooper" model and the AR 15's?

10-02-2002, 07:58 PM	#5
CG User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: PA Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's a pistol not a rifle. Wanna sell it? My bolt handle is broken. Mine was owned by a friend who was a WWII vet. He brought it home from Germany but I'm not sure when. You should see the looks I get at the range with this thing.

10-02-2002, 09:27 PM	#8
CG User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: PA Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't know much about the markings. Mine has B,G,U w/some crowns over them. I shoot long, shorts and the super colibri when I want to shoot in the yard.

10-03-2002, 09:18 AM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	The barreled action show is very similiar in appearance to the new Henry mini-bolt 22lr kids rifle. If you can find one in a local store, you may want to see if your action fits stock. If so, it may be easier to cut down one of these stocks, than to build one from scratch. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-03-2002, 05:12 PM	#10
Wilber User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: east coast Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tom Very good idea, Ill take a look, I have a winchester Thumb model thats about the right size, but dont want to buba that up. John <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> __________________ J.R.U.