American Historical Foundation Luger

Johnny Peppers · 10-19-2001, 10:42 PM

Has everyone seen the ad in new American Rifleman for the latest AHF offering? You can buy an original LP08 embellished with engraving, gold, and (gasp) 4 brilliant cut diamonds. Not only that, but the grips are "deluxe" finished walnut. All this for only $13,995. The bad news is that there are only 25 of these jewels to go around.

What an inglorious end for an old soldier.

Aaron · 10-20-2001, 01:13 AM

We can only hope that the 25 artilleries which were removed from the open market were beat up shooters and of no real collector value.

BILL · 10-20-2001, 01:17 AM

It is hard to imagine taking 25 artilleries, even in sad shape, and forever altering them in such a manner. I doubt that anyone who reads this forum would even want..wonder what kind of guy buys one?

Thor · 10-20-2001, 01:39 AM

Yep, I got my American Rifleman magazine today and saw them, a shame! Thor

Dok · 10-20-2001, 11:11 AM

I think his name might be Abdul Mustafa Mohammed.

Aaron · 10-20-2001, 11:27 AM

There are all kinds of so called "collectors" who buy quickly and never give a thought to research. I have met many such well intended people who were completely unaware that such research material even exists. I would bet that every one of us were completely in the dark when we acquired out first Luger. Unfortunately, we have no way to counter such advertisements except through forums such as this.

10-20-2001, 01:46 PM

Can caution preceed knowlege or, Must knowlege give rise to caution?

Sadly, Not Always!

Is a Informed man a Wise Man? or visa versa?

Again, Not Always!

It appears that in these days of free informatrion, There still remain those who WILL ACT without forethought!

and,

Inevitably it remains, That, "A Fool and His Money are Soon to be Parted",

Pity Them but,

WE can only ATTEMPT to delay that which is Predestined.

ViggoG

10-20-2001, 02:50 PM

Nothing lasts forever people. In fact it is great in this day that we recognize the wonder and beauty of the parabellum pistole to refinish it in such a glorius and fitting way. War time lugers are butchered and parted out never to be seen again everyday. These are finished numbered docmuneted and will stay single units forever with their value only to increase. If i had 14,000 i would buy one to hold and display and cherish.

Dok · 10-20-2001, 03:56 PM

for those of you who don't have access to the ad layout...

It's beautiful alright, but no Arty ever looked like this. If we are going to restore for future preservation as has been suggested, why not restore to original finish like Thor does? Now that would be a better use of an Arty.

Dok

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/artlug.gif

Big Norm · 10-20-2001, 04:17 PM

Where did they put the diamonds?

Big Norm

10-20-2001, 04:35 PM

These look sort of pretty in the ad but the process by which they are made is more like an assy-line. Were one of these made as a unique piece with a talented and named artist willing to put his/her name on the work AND the engraving was art done with a theme---then such a luger could be interesting. These are made in the 1950s vein when "prettied up" guns were popular. Chrome, vinyl, bright colors, tail fins, shiny six shooters and singing cowboys with fancy outfits--that is the mindset. Mil guns were just cheap junk in those days. There are a few old guys that still think that way but they are dwindling in number.

Actually, less than 25 will probably be made. They don't make one until an order is paid up. The 25 figure is a projection of the max they hope to sell.

The people who bought the $2300 P08's they created probably represented much of their market. When those folks found these things were worth very little--that may have discouraged them. I value these P08s at $190. I think the LP08s would have a bit more value, maybe $240.

Johnny Peppers · 10-20-2001, 05:12 PM

I can't remember the name of the mint at the moment, but back several years ago they were famous for offering silver bars commemorating just about everything. They were also sold under the guise of being collectible, and were "almost" sure to increase in value. Today these same silver bars can be bought in quantity for scrap silver prices. I am afraid that the LP08 will someday disappoint any owner who plunked down the $14K necessary to become the proud owner of a pimped up LP08. For the money necessary to own this atrocity you can own several significant Lugers that will not only increase in value over the years, but will also be the centerpiece of any nice collection.

Dok · 10-20-2001, 09:25 PM

Matt · 10-21-2001, 01:52 AM

To paraphrase Gen. Patton, that Luger looks like something "only a cheap pimp from New Orleans" would have!

10-21-2001, 02:56 AM

David Jackson · 10-21-2001, 03:06 AM

This pimp could buy two or three of them and have them silver soldered to the fenders of his Clenet car.

10-21-2001, 04:00 AM

Johnny Peppers · 10-21-2001, 10:50 AM

Dok,

That the folks.

10-19-2001, 10:42 PM	#1
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	American Historical Foundation Luger Has everyone seen the ad in new American Rifleman for the latest AHF offering? You can buy an original LP08 embellished with engraving, gold, and (gasp) 4 brilliant cut diamonds. Not only that, but the grips are "deluxe" finished walnut. All this for only $13,995. The bad news is that there are only 25 of these jewels to go around. What an inglorious end for an old soldier.

10-20-2001, 01:13 AM	#2
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: American Historical Foundation Luger We can only hope that the 25 artilleries which were removed from the open market were beat up shooters and of no real collector value.

10-20-2001, 01:17 AM	#3
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: American Historical Foundation Luger It is hard to imagine taking 25 artilleries, even in sad shape, and forever altering them in such a manner. I doubt that anyone who reads this forum would even want..wonder what kind of guy buys one?

10-20-2001, 01:39 AM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: American Historical Foundation Luger Yep, I got my American Rifleman magazine today and saw them, a shame! Thor

10-20-2001, 11:11 AM	#5
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Someone with more money than brains... I think his name might be Abdul Mustafa Mohammed.

10-20-2001, 11:27 AM	#6
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	In defense of novices There are all kinds of so called "collectors" who buy quickly and never give a thought to research. I have met many such well intended people who were completely unaware that such research material even exists. I would bet that every one of us were completely in the dark when we acquired out first Luger. Unfortunately, we have no way to counter such advertisements except through forums such as this.

10-20-2001, 01:46 PM	#7
Viggo G Dereng Guest Posts: n/a	Re: "A Good Question", Which Comes First? Can caution preceed knowlege or, Must knowlege give rise to caution? Sadly, Not Always! Is a Informed man a Wise Man? or visa versa? Again, Not Always! It appears that in these days of free informatrion, There still remain those who WILL ACT without forethought! and, Inevitably it remains, That, "A Fool and His Money are Soon to be Parted", Pity Them but, WE can only ATTEMPT to delay that which is Predestined. ViggoG

10-20-2001, 02:50 PM	#8
bob regers Guest Posts: n/a	Re: hISTORICAL lUGER Nothing lasts forever people. In fact it is great in this day that we recognize the wonder and beauty of the parabellum pistole to refinish it in such a glorius and fitting way. War time lugers are butchered and parted out never to be seen again everyday. These are finished numbered docmuneted and will stay single units forever with their value only to increase. If i had 14,000 i would buy one to hold and display and cherish.

10-20-2001, 03:56 PM	#9
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Here's the Arty in question... for those of you who don't have access to the ad layout... It's beautiful alright, but no Arty ever looked like this. If we are going to restore for future preservation as has been suggested, why not restore to original finish like Thor does? Now that would be a better use of an Arty. Dok http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/artlug.gif

10-20-2001, 04:17 PM	#10
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Here's the Arty in question... Where did they put the diamonds? Big Norm

10-20-2001, 04:35 PM	#11
mlm Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Here's the Arty in question... These look sort of pretty in the ad but the process by which they are made is more like an assy-line. Were one of these made as a unique piece with a talented and named artist willing to put his/her name on the work AND the engraving was art done with a theme---then such a luger could be interesting. These are made in the 1950s vein when "prettied up" guns were popular. Chrome, vinyl, bright colors, tail fins, shiny six shooters and singing cowboys with fancy outfits--that is the mindset. Mil guns were just cheap junk in those days. There are a few old guys that still think that way but they are dwindling in number. Actually, less than 25 will probably be made. They don't make one until an order is paid up. The 25 figure is a projection of the max they hope to sell. The people who bought the $2300 P08's they created probably represented much of their market. When those folks found these things were worth very little--that may have discouraged them. I value these P08s at $190. I think the LP08s would have a bit more value, maybe $240.

10-20-2001, 05:12 PM	#12
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Here's the Arty in question... I can't remember the name of the mint at the moment, but back several years ago they were famous for offering silver bars commemorating just about everything. They were also sold under the guise of being collectible, and were "almost" sure to increase in value. Today these same silver bars can be bought in quantity for scrap silver prices. I am afraid that the LP08 will someday disappoint any owner who plunked down the $14K necessary to become the proud owner of a pimped up LP08. For the money necessary to own this atrocity you can own several significant Lugers that will not only increase in value over the years, but will also be the centerpiece of any nice collection.

10-20-2001, 09:25 PM	#13
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	The Franklin Mint... is that them??? (EOM)

10-21-2001, 01:52 AM	#14
Matt User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 196 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pimp Luger To paraphrase Gen. Patton, that Luger looks like something "only a cheap pimp from New Orleans" would have!

10-21-2001, 02:56 AM	#15
Viggo G Dereng Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Thats Them??? (EOM)

10-21-2001, 03:06 AM	#16
David Jackson User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Magalia, California Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Thats Them??? This pimp could buy two or three of them and have them silver soldered to the fenders of his Clenet car.

10-21-2001, 04:00 AM	#17
Viggo G Dereng Guest Posts: n/a	Re: U-R-Right,Fender Do-Dads,Thats all!!! (EOM)

10-21-2001, 10:50 AM	#18
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Franklin Mint... is that them??? Dok, That the folks.