Portuguese Navy Luger

pepe · 10-16-2017, 04:37 PM

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can you please give me an opinion about this luger
i think it is a portuguese navy ?
regards
Pepe

Mac Cat · 10-16-2017, 07:10 PM

I don't think it's Portuguese or Navy.
I think it's a 1906 style (grip safety), flat toggles, Mauser banner (commercial, not military).
No military proof marks, no date.
The side plate looks like a replacement.

(I'm no expert, but that's my thoughts.... did you find an export stamp?)

John Sabato · 10-17-2017, 08:11 AM

I think the Mauser banner toggle link is a replacement. The rest of the gun appears to be 98 as the last two digits, but these old eyes could be fooling me.

pepe · 10-18-2017, 04:36 AM

Thank for your information
The gun is for sale in Portugal announced as a navy Luger
regards

sheepherder · 10-18-2017, 08:55 AM

On the left side of the chamber, ahead of the serial, is a marking of some sort...I can't make out the whole mark, but it is a lazy [something] over a U...Doesn't look like a crown...

Ben M. · 10-18-2017, 11:13 AM

crown crown U. mauser proof. like this.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...SQ9gccwukeelS-

Lugerdoc · 10-19-2017, 10:33 AM

The horizonal double crown over U was used on Mauser commerical. police and foreign contract pistols from 1935 until 1940. TH

pepe · 10-19-2017, 01:06 PM

the gun model with safety gryp is a 1906 isn t it ?

Ben M. · 10-20-2017, 09:46 PM

model 1906 but made by dwm and mauser much longer into 1940s

Mac Cat · 10-20-2017, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepe

the gun model with safety gryp is a 1906 isn t it ?

Pepe, the Luger looks like a commercial model.

They used the 1906 design, with a grip safety, no date code and no stock lug, as the primary design features for commercial lugers.

The Portuguese Navy Lugers had a very visible stamp (see below) on the top of the chamber. The chamber on this gun has nothing or it was removed.

Madcow · 10-31-2017, 09:22 PM

I have one from the 1937 run. Those do not have the crest, however ther were all 4000 to 4050 serial number as I recall.

pepe · 01-07-2018, 02:15 PM

Hi
This is what i now found about this luger that i bought
regards
pepe

A Parabellum Mod. 1906, Mauser, Portugal navy 1935, with holster

Detail 

Cal. 9 mm Parabellum, no. 2298v. Matching numbers. Bright bore. Proof mark double crown/U. Unmarked chamber, front toggle link with small Mauser banner. Extractor marked "Carregada", safety "Seguranca". Grip safety. Original bluing with wear marks, partially spotted. Small and operational parts with remnants of yellow. Damaged walnut grip panels, small blemish on the left. Nickel-plated sheet metal magazine with aluminium base, no. 2164. Mauser sent another 80 Parabellums of above version to navy with its GNR delivery.
Comes with strong, black cowhide holster with belt loop, inside flap tool compartment, on the side cleaning rod fixture with holder for drift pin, closing button missing. Stitches and pull strap in good order.
Cf. Hallock/van de Kant, The Mauser Parabellum 1930 - 1946, p. 415 and 424f. where the above weapon is richly illustrated and described. Erlaubnispflichtig

Dick Herman · 01-08-2018, 12:57 AM

Pepe,
Apparently you have a relatively limited production and documented pistol. Having access to reliable reference sources are extremely valuable.
Enjoy your acquisition.

Mac Cat · 01-08-2018, 08:08 AM

HA !

Now I agree, too, Pepe !!

I looked it up in the Kant book, too.

Hope you will share more photos - including the holster.

10-16-2017, 04:37 PM	#1
pepe User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: portugal Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Portuguese Navy Luger I can you please give me an opinion about this luger i think it is a portuguese navy ? regards Pepe Attached Thumbnails

10-17-2017, 08:11 AM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I think the Mauser banner toggle link is a replacement. The rest of the gun appears to be 98 as the last two digits, but these old eyes could be fooling me. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-18-2017, 08:55 AM	#5
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	On the left side of the chamber, ahead of the serial, is a marking of some sort...I can't make out the whole mark, but it is a lazy [something] over a U...Doesn't look like a crown... Attached Images __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

10-19-2017, 10:33 AM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	The horizonal double crown over U was used on Mauser commerical. police and foreign contract pistols from 1935 until 1940. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-31-2017, 09:22 PM	#11
Madcow User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 53 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	I have one from the 1937 run. Those do not have the crest, however ther were all 4000 to 4050 serial number as I recall. __________________ Don't take life too seriously, because your not going to make it out alive.

10-16-2017, 07:10 PM	#2
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 670 Thanks: 2,009 Thanked 542 Times in 292 Posts	I don't think it's Portuguese or Navy. I think it's a 1906 style (grip safety), flat toggles, Mauser banner (commercial, not military). No military proof marks, no date. The side plate looks like a replacement. (I'm no expert, but that's my thoughts.... did you find an export stamp?)

10-18-2017, 04:36 AM	#4
pepe User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: portugal Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thank for your information The gun is for sale in Portugal announced as a navy Luger regards

10-18-2017, 11:13 AM	#6
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 474 Thanks: 82 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	crown crown U. mauser proof. like this. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...SQ9gccwukeelS-

10-19-2017, 01:06 PM	#8
pepe User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: portugal Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	the gun model with safety gryp is a 1906 isn t it ?

10-20-2017, 09:46 PM	#9
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 474 Thanks: 82 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	model 1906 but made by dwm and mauser much longer into 1940s

01-07-2018, 02:15 PM	#12
pepe User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: portugal Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hi This is what i now found about this luger that i bought regards pepe A Parabellum Mod. 1906, Mauser, Portugal navy 1935, with holster Detail  Cal. 9 mm Parabellum, no. 2298v. Matching numbers. Bright bore. Proof mark double crown/U. Unmarked chamber, front toggle link with small Mauser banner. Extractor marked "Carregada", safety "Seguranca". Grip safety. Original bluing with wear marks, partially spotted. Small and operational parts with remnants of yellow. Damaged walnut grip panels, small blemish on the left. Nickel-plated sheet metal magazine with aluminium base, no. 2164. Mauser sent another 80 Parabellums of above version to navy with its GNR delivery. Comes with strong, black cowhide holster with belt loop, inside flap tool compartment, on the side cleaning rod fixture with holder for drift pin, closing button missing. Stitches and pull strap in good order. Cf. Hallock/van de Kant, The Mauser Parabellum 1930 - 1946, p. 415 and 424f. where the above weapon is richly illustrated and described. Erlaubnispflichtig

01-08-2018, 12:57 AM	#13
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	Pepe, Apparently you have a relatively limited production and documented pistol. Having access to reliable reference sources are extremely valuable. Enjoy your acquisition.

01-08-2018, 08:08 AM	#14
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 670 Thanks: 2,009 Thanked 542 Times in 292 Posts	HA ! Now I agree, too, Pepe !! I looked it up in the Kant book, too. Hope you will share more photos - including the holster.