ground chamber

Dieter08 · 12-04-2002, 08:54 AM

Hello, i bought a very cheap DWM-Luger, all matching but it was particular reworked. Someone ground the chamber and the year off! I know that it would be faked, but i want to engrave the year 1917 new and then reblue the gun. I have a shop here who can engrave the year but he needs a big pic of the 1917. I havo no other gun from 1917 and so the 7 is missing. the 1 and the 9 is no problem, I have enough. Is anyone able to send me a high-quality-pic of a 1917 chamber??? Careful, it has to be 90Ã?Â° vertical to get the real size. Thanks to all.

(Dieter08, I hope you don't mind but I corrected your spelling to make the post easier to understand. Please don't be alarmed about any mistakes in your use of the English language... I can assure you that your English is MUCH better than my German. -regards, John Sabato/Site Admin)

Dieter08 · 12-04-2002, 08:54 AM

I forgot my mail: Dieter08@web.de

Lugerdoc · 12-04-2002, 09:46 AM

Deiter, We received one shipment of these reworked imports here in the US. Most were WW2 era Mauser military PO8s (check the proofing on the right side of the receiver) that had the chamber date removed and the center toggle link was replaced with a repro DWM marked and numbered to the pistol. I believe that "Clensing" of these WW2 military PO8s, was done to legalize sale on the German commerical market. Tom H.

Dieter08 · 12-04-2002, 10:44 AM

Thanks for your answer, but mine is a DWM-Ari-Luger from 1917. It has all matching-numbers (original), not the mag. It has no new proof-marks and no mauser-marks. It has original DWM-marks like my other ones too. It has been reworked not long ago, I think. The blueing is new on only some parts, so on the chamber. I am from germany and bought this very nice (really!) looking gun at a little hunters-gunshop on the land. He got it from a hunter which took a rifle. He had this luger for a long time and reworked it, because he shot it very often (could see the toggle-stamp on the grip). Only the chamber is ground, don't know why, maybe rust. [img]rolleyes.gif[/img]

Dieter08 · 12-04-2002, 10:56 AM

@john:
I'm very happy, if you show me mistakes in my english. So i can learn. Thanks a lot. Dieter

Edward Tinker · 12-04-2002, 10:56 AM

I don't have a 1917 or I'd post it for you.

And I would ask why you thought it was a 1917 to start with, but I have heard through the grape vine that you are fairly good at knowing these things!

Ed

Dieter08 · 12-04-2002, 11:07 AM

Hi Ed, i think that it is from 1917 because:
- it has both adjustment-screws
- it has the new (since August? 1916) short release-lever, not ground like my Erfurt.
- it has the number 2867 a
because the number it is an early one, either from early-1916 or early-1917. And the short release-lever makes me think, that it is from 1917. But what about the numbering in a period of a year? Wasn't it so, that the numbers were hit till march or april of the following year? Is it possible, that it is a 1916-Ari? Your opinions. Dieter <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

Edward Tinker · 12-04-2002, 11:16 AM

I am not sure, wrong guy to know specifics on this era. Sorry, I'd say "stutmerlite" it would have to be phonetic. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Dieter check Personal Messages.

John Sabato · 12-04-2002, 11:16 AM

Dieter08, please check your email for a photo of a 1917 DWM artillery model chamber.

Dieter08 · 12-04-2002, 11:44 AM

Thanks a lot to all. Edward, got some nice pics, it's not neccessary to scan your book. Greetings from germany. Dieter

John Sabato · 12-04-2002, 12:22 PM

For the benefit of those who may be wondering what Dieter means by "release lever"... I am pretty sure he is talking about the sear bar and the fact that it was relieved to allow opening of the toggle with the safety on in 1916. After 1916, these sear bars were made in the modified form. Prior to this time the toggle could not be raised with the safety applied.

This excellent illustration from Gerard Henrotin's E-Book on DWM Lugers shows how the sear machining differed after the design change. The top sear is pre-1916 and the lower sear shows how the position of the angle on the left side was relieved to allow the toggle to open with the safety on.

12-04-2002, 08:54 AM	#1
Dieter08 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ground chamber Hello, i bought a very cheap DWM-Luger, all matching but it was particular reworked. Someone ground the chamber and the year off! I know that it would be faked, but i want to engrave the year 1917 new and then reblue the gun. I have a shop here who can engrave the year but he needs a big pic of the 1917. I havo no other gun from 1917 and so the 7 is missing. the 1 and the 9 is no problem, I have enough. Is anyone able to send me a high-quality-pic of a 1917 chamber??? Careful, it has to be 90Ã?Â° vertical to get the real size. Thanks to all. (Dieter08, I hope you don't mind but I corrected your spelling to make the post easier to understand. Please don't be alarmed about any mistakes in your use of the English language... I can assure you that your English is MUCH better than my German. -regards, John Sabato/Site Admin)

12-04-2002, 09:46 AM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Deiter, We received one shipment of these reworked imports here in the US. Most were WW2 era Mauser military PO8s (check the proofing on the right side of the receiver) that had the chamber date removed and the center toggle link was replaced with a repro DWM marked and numbered to the pistol. I believe that "Clensing" of these WW2 military PO8s, was done to legalize sale on the German commerical market. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

12-04-2002, 10:56 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	I don't have a 1917 or I'd post it for you. And I would ask why you thought it was a 1917 to start with, but I have heard through the grape vine that you are fairly good at knowing these things! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-04-2002, 11:16 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	I am not sure, wrong guy to know specifics on this era. Sorry, I'd say "stutmerlite" it would have to be phonetic. [img]smile.gif[/img] Dieter check Personal Messages. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-04-2002, 11:16 AM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Dieter08, please check your email for a photo of a 1917 DWM artillery model chamber. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-04-2002, 10:44 AM	#4
Dieter08 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for your answer, but mine is a DWM-Ari-Luger from 1917. It has all matching-numbers (original), not the mag. It has no new proof-marks and no mauser-marks. It has original DWM-marks like my other ones too. It has been reworked not long ago, I think. The blueing is new on only some parts, so on the chamber. I am from germany and bought this very nice (really!) looking gun at a little hunters-gunshop on the land. He got it from a hunter which took a rifle. He had this luger for a long time and reworked it, because he shot it very often (could see the toggle-stamp on the grip). Only the chamber is ground, don't know why, maybe rust. [img]rolleyes.gif[/img]

12-04-2002, 11:07 AM	#7
Dieter08 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Ed, i think that it is from 1917 because: - it has both adjustment-screws - it has the new (since August? 1916) short release-lever, not ground like my Erfurt. - it has the number 2867 a because the number it is an early one, either from early-1916 or early-1917. And the short release-lever makes me think, that it is from 1917. But what about the numbering in a period of a year? Wasn't it so, that the numbers were hit till march or april of the following year? Is it possible, that it is a 1916-Ari? Your opinions. Dieter <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

12-04-2002, 11:44 AM	#10
Dieter08 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 56 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks a lot to all. Edward, got some nice pics, it's not neccessary to scan your book. Greetings from germany. Dieter

12-04-2002, 12:22 PM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	For the benefit of those who may be wondering what Dieter means by "release lever"... I am pretty sure he is talking about the sear bar and the fact that it was relieved to allow opening of the toggle with the safety on in 1916. After 1916, these sear bars were made in the modified form. Prior to this time the toggle could not be raised with the safety applied. This excellent illustration from Gerard Henrotin's E-Book on DWM Lugers shows how the sear machining differed after the design change. The top sear is pre-1916 and the lower sear shows how the position of the angle on the left side was relieved to allow the toggle to open with the safety on. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*