Unusual Krieghoff Serial #194

randyh · 08-11-2005, 07:29 AM

Guys,

I recently inherited Krieghoff serial # 194. This gun was brought back by my stepfather at the end of WWII. I recently carried it to a gun show, and had a couple of avid luger collectors look at it and this resulted in some very lucrative offers. I was told that it is not a "P" code and that all serial #'s match and that all Luftwaffe proofs are right. there is no manufacturers logo on the toggle slide, but there is an "A" with a circle around it near the barrell. both clips have the same 194 serial number and the holster and tool have the Luftwaffe proofs on them. I was told by my recently deceased stepfather that he took it off of a dead officer near the end of the war. He also brought back the 2 banners shown in the pix. I have looked in several books and can not find this serial # or any info on this pistol. Any help on background or estimated value would be greatlyappreciated.
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Pete Ebbink · 08-11-2005, 12:32 PM

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Navy · 08-11-2005, 01:18 PM

Hi Randy,

Memory is a tricky thing, especially when you get to be as old as the WWII vets are.

Your Krieghoff is a post war assembled gun, one of the highest SNs I have encountered. I recently sold one for $5000.

Congratulations, you have a rarely seen Luger.

Tom A

Edward Tinker · 08-11-2005, 01:36 PM

Hello Randy,

Looks very nice, I would guess that John D (he collects Kriegs will be very interested.

And if it is a post-war Krieg, then the dead officer story wouldn't fit... Is it possible he found two, sold, traded one before he left europe? (this was common among GI's)

As you can see, I collect stories of bring-backs, if you like to be added to my booklet I am slowly making, send me a PM or e-mail weimar_lugers@comcast.net all I'd need is some information on your step-dad, his unit if you know it, where he was stationed, any of the story, and these pictures

and WELCOME to the forum!

Ed

Pete Ebbink · 08-11-2005, 02:55 PM

Ed,

The "dead officer" could have been a US officer who picked up this PX gun and accidently shot himself to death with it and some lucky GI happened to come along...not being able to help the poor soul out...but was able to liberate a nice post-war HK...

(Just pulling your chain...)

Randy,

Can you post photos of your holster...any markings on the back and inside the holster, along the back of the holster just below the hinge. If your holster is also a HK marked/proofed holster, value could be as high as $ 800-$ 1,000...

Tom A.,

Gibson reports a # 205 post war HK in his book.

Pete Ebbink · 08-11-2005, 09:32 PM

It is a bit hard to tell, but Randy's holster does have the internal HK proof, but it sounds like it has no maker's markings on the back of the holster :

John D. · 08-11-2005, 10:55 PM

Really an beautiful example of a Post-war produced HK.!!!

A couple of points...

You can read about these and dates of manufacture in this thread:
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...&threadid=5301

Second - no, these are not P-code commercials, but rather, your's is a more common post-war variation (well, none are actually "common"

)

Third - unfortunately, these were produced after the VE Day, so there is no chance it would have been taken from a dead soldier, but nonetheless - it is a Krieghoff!

Fourth - the "circle A" is noted on other post-war HKs (and P-codes/Series II) and is a rejection mark found on some HK commercial Lugers and post-war assembled Kriegs

Fifth - as a dual mag matched RIG, would probably fetch $6000+

Finally - you can find some more info about Post-wars Kriegs in this thread - which discusses another post-war variation: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...&threadid=5361

VERY NICE!!!

John D.

08-11-2005, 01:36 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,932 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,528 Times in 2,091 Posts	Hello Randy, Looks very nice, I would guess that John D (he collects Kriegs will be very interested. And if it is a post-war Krieg, then the dead officer story wouldn't fit... Is it possible he found two, sold, traded one before he left europe? (this was common among GI's) As you can see, I collect stories of bring-backs, if you like to be added to my booklet I am slowly making, send me a PM or e-mail weimar_lugers@comcast.net all I'd need is some information on your step-dad, his unit if you know it, where he was stationed, any of the story, and these pictures and WELCOME to the forum! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-11-2005, 07:29 AM	#1
randyh New User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Unusual Krieghoff Serial #194 Guys, I recently inherited Krieghoff serial # 194. This gun was brought back by my stepfather at the end of WWII. I recently carried it to a gun show, and had a couple of avid luger collectors look at it and this resulted in some very lucrative offers. I was told that it is not a "P" code and that all serial #'s match and that all Luftwaffe proofs are right. there is no manufacturers logo on the toggle slide, but there is an "A" with a circle around it near the barrell. both clips have the same 194 serial number and the holster and tool have the Luftwaffe proofs on them. I was told by my recently deceased stepfather that he took it off of a dead officer near the end of the war. He also brought back the 2 banners shown in the pix. I have looked in several books and can not find this serial # or any info on this pistol. Any help on background or estimated value would be greatlyappreciated. http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy30_copy1.jpg[/IMG] http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy12_copy1.jpg[/IMG] http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy15_copy1.jpg[/IMG] http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy19_copy1.jpg[/IMG] http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy22_copy1.jpg[/IMG] http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy25_copy1.jpg[/IMG] http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy26_copy1.jpg[/IMG] http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy5_copy1.jpg[/IMG] http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy28_copy1.jpg[/IMG] http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy1_copy1.jpg[/IMG] http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy13_copy1.jpg[/IMG] http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy31_copy1.jpg[/IMG] http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy27_copy1.jpg[/IMG] http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/randy8_copy1.jpg[/IMG] Attached Thumbnails

08-11-2005, 12:32 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Randy's other photos :

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Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hi Randy, Memory is a tricky thing, especially when you get to be as old as the WWII vets are. Your Krieghoff is a post war assembled gun, one of the highest SNs I have encountered. I recently sold one for $5000. Congratulations, you have a rarely seen Luger. Tom A

08-11-2005, 02:55 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Ed, The "dead officer" could have been a US officer who picked up this PX gun and accidently shot himself to death with it and some lucky GI happened to come along...not being able to help the poor soul out...but was able to liberate a nice post-war HK... (Just pulling your chain...) Randy, Can you post photos of your holster...any markings on the back and inside the holster, along the back of the holster just below the hinge. If your holster is also a HK marked/proofed holster, value could be as high as $ 800-$ 1,000... Tom A., Gibson reports a # 205 post war HK in his book.

08-11-2005, 09:32 PM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	It is a bit hard to tell, but Randy's holster does have the internal HK proof, but it sounds like it has no maker's markings on the back of the holster :

08-11-2005, 10:55 PM	#8
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Really an beautiful example of a Post-war produced HK.!!! A couple of points... You can read about these and dates of manufacture in this thread: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...&threadid=5301 Second - no, these are not P-code commercials, but rather, your's is a more common post-war variation (well, none are actually "common" ) Third - unfortunately, these were produced after the VE Day, so there is no chance it would have been taken from a dead soldier, but nonetheless - it is a Krieghoff! Fourth - the "circle A" is noted on other post-war HKs (and P-codes/Series II) and is a rejection mark found on some HK commercial Lugers and post-war assembled Kriegs Fifth - as a dual mag matched RIG, would probably fetch $6000+ Finally - you can find some more info about Post-wars Kriegs in this thread - which discusses another post-war variation: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...&threadid=5361 VERY NICE!!! John D.