1900 American Eagle

Major Tom · 03-19-2018, 10:02 AM

There is an ad on Gunbroker, item #754671438, that is described as a 1900 AE luger. Looking at the photos I see that the toggle knobs are not concave, no indication of a toggle lock. I have sent questions to the seller, but he himhaws around with his answers. I wanted to see a photo of the mainspring and he didn't know if it was a flat or coiled spring. I am sure this is a fraudulent ad. What is your opinion? Just wanted to let you people know about this seller. No, I'm not bidding on it!

rhinemann · 03-19-2018, 10:47 AM

Looks like a 1906 A/E to me

DonVoigt · 03-19-2018, 12:07 PM

I would not call it "fraudulent", that implies intent; it is simply "wrong".
The seller does not have any idea what he has, except it is a luger and if like everyone else- "it must be worth a lot".

Probably using fawlty logic; all 1900 lugers have grip safeties, ergo this is a 1900 luger.

Ron Wood · 03-19-2018, 12:08 PM

No need for additional photos. It is a 1906 American Eagle...you can tell from the ad and the serial number is waay too high for a 1900. Not sure if the ad is fraudulent or if the seller is just ignorant.
Ron

Major Tom · 03-20-2018, 07:21 AM

The seller finally admitted that he posted the wrong date in his ad. He concedes it is a 1906.

Edward Tinker · 03-20-2018, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Major Tom

The seller finally admitted that he posted the wrong date in his ad. He concedes it is a 1906.

with no bids, just change it

He has pictures that he either took it to a gun show or bought it there. My guess is that he picked it up cheaper and thinks he can double his money

Ed

JTD · 03-20-2018, 02:03 PM

I am trying to understand why, if not going after it, you are so worried about correcting this seller? Anyone who is plunking down money should have an idea what they are putting it down on. Seems to me that he is just trying to sell a luger, and is a bit confused in what exactly it is, no more, no less. John

Major Tom · 03-22-2018, 06:53 PM

[QUOTE=JTD;314632]I am trying to understand why, if not going after it, you are so worried about correcting this seller?

Well, there are 2 bids for a 1900 AE luger which these bidders obviously have not done their homework. The seller still has not corrected the ad to 1906. So, someone is going to be P O'd when he finds the truth. I know I would be appreciative of someone correcting a wrong ad. That's all!

JTD · 03-22-2018, 08:12 PM

person bid 6 times to hit the reserve. The only bidder. He knew what he was getting. At 2200,win, he did not get hosed. At a quick glance, he got a nice honest pistol, be it a 1906 30 cal Eagle. What if the seller had an 02, THAT would have made it intresting, as bidders would have been P.O,d if someone out of the blue and not bidding told the seller of a mis-discription. The information is out there for the seller to find, as well as buyer. I hope you see my point here. John

DonVoigt · 03-22-2018, 09:25 PM

Though it is permitted here, personally I don't think we need to talk about auctions; if you're bidding or want to and have a question ok- but just throwing stuff against the wall and calling the dealer a fraud ? Not cool.

The seller obviously doesn't know or care, the buyer should know better, and you have no dog in the fight.

You can't save everyone or maybe even anyone from being ignorant or catching auction fever. JMHO.

And maybe he had a reason- like having another '06 and this one would give him a consecutive numbered pair!

Major Tom · 03-23-2018, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Though it is permitted here, personally I don't think we need to talk about auctions; if you're bidding or want to and have a question ok- but just throwing stuff against the wall and calling the dealer a fraud ? Not cool.

The seller obviously doesn't know or care, the buyer should know better, and you have no dog in the fight.

You can't save everyone or maybe even anyone from being ignorant or catching auction fever. JMHO.

And maybe he had a reason- like having another '06 and this one would give him a consecutive numbered pair!

Well said! I apologise for my post!

cirelaw · 03-23-2018, 01:31 PM

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/754671438 Direct Eric

DonVoigt · 03-23-2018, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/754671438 Direct Eric

What?

03-19-2018, 10:02 AM	#1
Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 481 Thanks: 531 Thanked 226 Times in 123 Posts	1900 American Eagle There is an ad on Gunbroker, item #754671438, that is described as a 1900 AE luger. Looking at the photos I see that the toggle knobs are not concave, no indication of a toggle lock. I have sent questions to the seller, but he himhaws around with his answers. I wanted to see a photo of the mainspring and he didn't know if it was a flat or coiled spring. I am sure this is a fraudulent ad. What is your opinion? Just wanted to let you people know about this seller. No, I'm not bidding on it! __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

03-19-2018, 12:07 PM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	I would not call it "fraudulent", that implies intent; it is simply "wrong". The seller does not have any idea what he has, except it is a luger and if like everyone else- "it must be worth a lot". Probably using fawlty logic; all 1900 lugers have grip safeties, ergo this is a 1900 luger. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

03-19-2018, 12:08 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	No need for additional photos. It is a 1906 American Eagle...you can tell from the ad and the serial number is waay too high for a 1900. Not sure if the ad is fraudulent or if the seller is just ignorant. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-20-2018, 07:21 AM	#5
Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 481 Thanks: 531 Thanked 226 Times in 123 Posts	The seller finally admitted that he posted the wrong date in his ad. He concedes it is a 1906. __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

03-22-2018, 06:53 PM	#8
Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 481 Thanks: 531 Thanked 226 Times in 123 Posts	[QUOTE=JTD;314632]I am trying to understand why, if not going after it, you are so worried about correcting this seller? Well, there are 2 bids for a 1900 AE luger which these bidders obviously have not done their homework. The seller still has not corrected the ad to 1906. So, someone is going to be P O'd when he finds the truth. I know I would be appreciative of someone correcting a wrong ad. That's all! __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

03-19-2018, 10:47 AM	#2
rhinemann User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: S. Calif. Posts: 66 Thanks: 14 Thanked 21 Times in 12 Posts	Looks like a 1906 A/E to me

03-20-2018, 02:03 PM	#7
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 214 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	I am trying to understand why, if not going after it, you are so worried about correcting this seller? Anyone who is plunking down money should have an idea what they are putting it down on. Seems to me that he is just trying to sell a luger, and is a bit confused in what exactly it is, no more, no less. John

03-22-2018, 08:12 PM	#9
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 214 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	person bid 6 times to hit the reserve. The only bidder. He knew what he was getting. At 2200,win, he did not get hosed. At a quick glance, he got a nice honest pistol, be it a 1906 30 cal Eagle. What if the seller had an 02, THAT would have made it intresting, as bidders would have been P.O,d if someone out of the blue and not bidding told the seller of a mis-discription. The information is out there for the seller to find, as well as buyer. I hope you see my point here. John

03-22-2018, 09:25 PM	#10
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Though it is permitted here, personally I don't think we need to talk about auctions; if you're bidding or want to and have a question ok- but just throwing stuff against the wall and calling the dealer a fraud ? Not cool. The seller obviously doesn't know or care, the buyer should know better, and you have no dog in the fight. You can't save everyone or maybe even anyone from being ignorant or catching auction fever. JMHO. And maybe he had a reason- like having another '06 and this one would give him a consecutive numbered pair! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

03-23-2018, 01:31 PM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	https://www.gunbroker.com/item/754671438 Direct Eric