question on when the last lugers were made

sverre · 03-29-2004, 08:08 PM

were the last lugers the byf 41\42? were they made on license after that in other countries?

Johnny C. Kitchens · 03-29-2004, 10:08 PM

The official end came about in June 1942. They continued assembly from parts till December 1942. There doesn't appear to be any records of byf being made in other countries, although after the German military stopped accepting them some were sent to countries, such as Portugual...

kidvett · 03-29-2004, 10:09 PM

Hello,

If I'm not mistaken, the last Mauser produced P08s were the BYF 42 M Block that were sent to Portugal as their model 943 pistol... ( This specific information is found in III Reich Lugers by J. C. Still )

Frank, can you help on this `` last P08s `` topic........THX,

MARK

John Sabato · 03-30-2004, 08:38 AM

I think you guys are forgetting about the Mauser Production of the Luger in the 1970's & 80's... those are REAL Lugers too! and I believe the Swiss manufactured their Lugers until about 1952, but I am separated from my reference library at the moment... so maybe someone else can comment on Swiss production?

Pete Ebbink are you listening?

Frank · 03-30-2004, 10:05 AM

The last Lugers were made in 1945, except the post war Lugers made by both Mauser and Aimco (Stoeger). They are called Krieghoffs!!!!

I meant to say Third Reich Lugers!!

Pete Ebbink · 03-30-2004, 01:32 PM

Sorry...John...

The last Swiss lugers by Bern were made in 1947 (commerical series).

But then there was one (1) prototype (model 29/65 W+F) they made in 1965 at the request of the Interarms folks. Turned out this one cost too much to make, so Sam Cummins went to the Mauser folks. I think the Bern folks sold their swiss machinery to the Mauser/Interarms folks which started making the swiss-style lugers in the early 1970's.

p.s. What about the "French lugers"...??? When were those assembled...?

Regards,

Pete...

Ron Wood · 03-30-2004, 02:14 PM

I can't help it...I have to say it: The last real Lugers were made in 1918!

John D. · 03-30-2004, 02:26 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ron Wood:
I can't help it...I have to say it: The last real Lugers were made in 1918!

John Sabato · 03-30-2004, 02:34 PM

Me too John D. !

That Ron Wood dude sure is hard headed about that issue!

Ron Wood · 03-30-2004, 03:14 PM

To be perfectly honest, in weaker moments in the past I have owned an early S-Code Krieghoff, a Simson, a banner Mauser, a byf, a S/42 and probably a couple of others I have forgotten about. And currently I own a Portuguese GNR, a KOL Dutch, a Vickers, a '29 Swiss and a M23 Finnish. So every now and then I do get soft in the head.

Edward Tinker · 03-30-2004, 03:19 PM

And I seem to remember a sweet "larger" Luger made in Kaliforinia?

Ed

Ron Wood · 03-30-2004, 03:22 PM

Yeah, I really went soft in the head that time (kicked the stuffings out of my wallet too).

Edward Tinker · 03-30-2004, 03:38 PM

But we ought to go shootin'

Seriously, since I am so "close" now, I ought to make it down there, the Asst. Provost Marshal is a civ and a close friend of mine, so two birds with one stone? Whens the house going to be finished? (I'll delete this posting after a bit, I am at work, so no e-mail contacts to ask this same questions).

John Sabato · 03-30-2004, 03:40 PM

Something tells me that the neither the group of "imitation" Lugers you listed, nor the LARGE one will depreciate in value in my lifetime... that softspot isn't as soft as you make it out to be...

Strider · 03-30-2004, 03:47 PM

Ed, don't forget to stop and say hi if you drive to El Paso. I am sure Thor and as well as myself would like to get together and meet.

John & John, I have to agree with both of you. Just read my signature block.

Sid.

Edward Tinker · 03-30-2004, 03:57 PM

437 miles to Peralta, New Mexico, so we'll see. When I have extra time

But that would be really nice to see people!

Ed

Ron Wood · 03-30-2004, 04:03 PM

We break ground on the new house next week! Target completion date is 15 September.

BTW Ed, our son lives in Boulder CO, so when we go to see him you are in real danger of a drop in visit some day.

Prototype!!! Man those things are valuable! And to think...they got it right so early on. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

John D. · 03-30-2004, 05:26 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Strider:
....If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype..<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />
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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ron Wood:
We break ground on the new house next week! Target completion date is 15 September.....<hr /></blockquote>You are having a target painted on the side of your house??? Wow - the Zoning Board must be having a fit - not to mention your neighbors..??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Thor · 03-30-2004, 05:38 PM

Good catch John of Dunkle!! Quick eyes! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

John Sabato · 03-30-2004, 06:00 PM

Pete, I believe that the French Lugers were produced (assembled ? ) in 1945-46, but I don't have any references available as I type this...

can someone else confirm this?

03-29-2004, 08:08 PM	#1
sverre User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	question on when the last lugers were made were the last lugers the byf 41\42? were they made on license after that in other countries?

03-29-2004, 10:08 PM	#2
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	The official end came about in June 1942. They continued assembly from parts till December 1942. There doesn't appear to be any records of byf being made in other countries, although after the German military stopped accepting them some were sent to countries, such as Portugual... __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

03-30-2004, 08:38 AM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I think you guys are forgetting about the Mauser Production of the Luger in the 1970's & 80's... those are REAL Lugers too! and I believe the Swiss manufactured their Lugers until about 1952, but I am separated from my reference library at the moment... so maybe someone else can comment on Swiss production? Pete Ebbink are you listening? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-30-2004, 02:14 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	I can't help it...I have to say it: The last real Lugers were made in 1918! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-30-2004, 02:26 PM	#8
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Ron Wood: <strong>I can't help it...I have to say it: The last real Lugers were made in 1918! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">

03-29-2004, 10:09 PM	#3
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hello, If I'm not mistaken, the last Mauser produced P08s were the BYF 42 M Block that were sent to Portugal as their model 943 pistol... ( This specific information is found in III Reich Lugers by J. C. Still ) Frank, can you help on this `` last P08s `` topic........THX, MARK

03-30-2004, 10:05 AM	#5
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	The last Lugers were made in 1945, except the post war Lugers made by both Mauser and Aimco (Stoeger). They are called Krieghoffs!!!! I meant to say Third Reich Lugers!!

03-30-2004, 01:32 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Sorry...John... The last Swiss lugers by Bern were made in 1947 (commerical series). But then there was one (1) prototype (model 29/65 W+F) they made in 1965 at the request of the Interarms folks. Turned out this one cost too much to make, so Sam Cummins went to the Mauser folks. I think the Bern folks sold their swiss machinery to the Mauser/Interarms folks which started making the swiss-style lugers in the early 1970's. p.s. What about the "French lugers"...??? When were those assembled...? Regards, Pete...

03-30-2004, 02:34 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Me too John D. ! That Ron Wood dude sure is hard headed about that issue! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-30-2004, 03:14 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	To be perfectly honest, in weaker moments in the past I have owned an early S-Code Krieghoff, a Simson, a banner Mauser, a byf, a S/42 and probably a couple of others I have forgotten about. And currently I own a Portuguese GNR, a KOL Dutch, a Vickers, a '29 Swiss and a M23 Finnish. So every now and then I do get soft in the head. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-30-2004, 03:19 PM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	And I seem to remember a sweet "larger" Luger made in Kaliforinia? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-30-2004, 03:22 PM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	Yeah, I really went soft in the head that time (kicked the stuffings out of my wallet too). __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-30-2004, 03:38 PM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	But we ought to go shootin' Seriously, since I am so "close" now, I ought to make it down there, the Asst. Provost Marshal is a civ and a close friend of mine, so two birds with one stone? Whens the house going to be finished? (I'll delete this posting after a bit, I am at work, so no e-mail contacts to ask this same questions). __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-30-2004, 03:40 PM	#14
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Something tells me that the neither the group of "imitation" Lugers you listed, nor the LARGE one will depreciate in value in my lifetime... that softspot isn't as soft as you make it out to be... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-30-2004, 03:47 PM	#15
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed, don't forget to stop and say hi if you drive to El Paso. I am sure Thor and as well as myself would like to get together and meet. John & John, I have to agree with both of you. Just read my signature block. Sid. __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

03-30-2004, 03:57 PM	#16
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	437 miles to Peralta, New Mexico, so we'll see. When I have extra time But that would be really nice to see people! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-30-2004, 04:03 PM	#17
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	We break ground on the new house next week! Target completion date is 15 September. BTW Ed, our son lives in Boulder CO, so when we go to see him you are in real danger of a drop in visit some day. Prototype!!! Man those things are valuable! And to think...they got it right so early on. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-30-2004, 05:26 PM	#18
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Strider: <strong>....If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"><img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> _________ <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> ___________________ <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Ron Wood: <strong>We break ground on the new house next week! Target completion date is 15 September.....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">You are having a target painted on the side of your house??? Wow - the Zoning Board must be having a fit - not to mention your neighbors..??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

03-30-2004, 05:38 PM	#19
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Good catch John of Dunkle!! Quick eyes! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

03-30-2004, 06:00 PM	#20
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Pete, I believe that the French Lugers were produced (assembled ? ) in 1945-46, but I don't have any references available as I type this... can someone else confirm this? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*