Navy Stamps Close-Up Photo...

Pete Ebbink · 09-22-2002, 03:46 PM

Awhile back, I think Dan Clemons started a thread asking about "proper" Navy stampings and whether the crown should "float" above the M or not...

I think the consensus was that the crown should always touch the top tips of the M...

Found a great photo of actual Navy stamping tools in Eugene Bender's book, Luger Holsters & Accessories of the 2oth. Century, on page 249.

Photo credit in the book is given to a Dutch collector named Nico van Gijn...

Thought I would post it for those on the Forum that may not have this book and are looking at Navy lugers...

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

John Sabato · 09-23-2002, 10:34 AM

That's a great Photo Pete!

Doubs · 09-23-2002, 01:43 PM

Pete, I hope you're not offended. I did a little tinkering with the picture of the stamps in an attempt to make them a bit clearer.

Pete Ebbink · 09-23-2002, 03:03 PM

[img]biggrin.gif[/img] Great photo-editing, Walker !!! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

Navy · 09-23-2002, 05:42 PM

Concerning the "touching" of the Crown and the M, I did a highly scientific study (I examined the 8 or 9 Imperial Navy guns that were close at hand and ALL had the browridge of the crown slightly INSIDE the top of the V portion of the M between the two uprights.
FWIW, I know these guns are righteous.

Tom A. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Dan Clemons · 10-06-2002, 03:35 PM

Here is a picture of what the Crown Proof should not look like.

Dan

<img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />

Tony S. · 10-24-2002, 05:39 PM

What do you think about these markings?
http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/CrownMs.JPG
Thanks,
Tony Saliceti <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />

Doubs · 10-24-2002, 06:37 PM

Tony, read Tom A.'s post several above your own. IMO, the picture your link takes me to shows an obvious fake as the crowns do not come close to touching the letter "M".

Navy · 10-24-2002, 09:29 PM

Tony,

I took a quick look and I can tell you with out fear of dispute, those are wrong.

Americanische Waffenfabrik I presume. Dare I guess: a purported 1914-1917 Navy? If so, I bet I can guess where it came from (dealer).

Tom A.

09-22-2002, 03:46 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Navy Stamps Close-Up Photo... Awhile back, I think Dan Clemons started a thread asking about "proper" Navy stampings and whether the crown should "float" above the M or not... I think the consensus was that the crown should always touch the top tips of the M... Found a great photo of actual Navy stamping tools in Eugene Bender's book, Luger Holsters & Accessories of the 2oth. Century, on page 249. Photo credit in the book is given to a Dutch collector named Nico van Gijn... Thought I would post it for those on the Forum that may not have this book and are looking at Navy lugers... Regards, Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

09-23-2002, 10:34 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	That's a great Photo Pete! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-06-2002, 03:35 PM	#6
Dan Clemons User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Grants Pass, OR Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here is a picture of what the Crown Proof should not look like. Dan <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" /> __________________ Loving Lugers

09-23-2002, 01:43 PM	#3
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,614 Times in 525 Posts	Pete, I hope you're not offended. I did a little tinkering with the picture of the stamps in an attempt to make them a bit clearer.

09-23-2002, 03:03 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	[img]biggrin.gif[/img] Great photo-editing, Walker !!! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] Regards, Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

09-23-2002, 05:42 PM	#5
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Concerning the "touching" of the Crown and the M, I did a highly scientific study (I examined the 8 or 9 Imperial Navy guns that were close at hand and ALL had the browridge of the crown slightly INSIDE the top of the V portion of the M between the two uprights. FWIW, I know these guns are righteous. Tom A. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

10-24-2002, 05:39 PM	#7
Tony S. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 173 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What do you think about these markings? http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/CrownMs.JPG Thanks, Tony Saliceti <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />

10-24-2002, 06:37 PM	#8
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,614 Times in 525 Posts	Tony, read Tom A.'s post several above your own. IMO, the picture your link takes me to shows an obvious fake as the crowns do not come close to touching the letter "M".

10-24-2002, 09:29 PM	#9
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Tony, I took a quick look and I can tell you with out fear of dispute, those are wrong. Americanische Waffenfabrik I presume. Dare I guess: a purported 1914-1917 Navy? If so, I bet I can guess where it came from (dealer). Tom A.