Heplp! - Krieghoff Production & Markings

fantomark · 08-05-2007, 02:16 PM

CIAO! From Italy.

Tomorrow I am hopefully finalizing purchase of my second Luger (I hope with better luck then my first one!!).

Probably , I will be in a position to chose between a MAUSER and a KRIEGHOFF - both just pre WWII or early WWII.

Assuming that condition of the 2 pistols be the same , and that all parts are matching in both pistols, which of the two will be more valuable as a collectors item?

Also , can anybody give me any info on KFIEGHOFF start and end of production years, and typical markings on pistol?

Thanks to everybody!!!!

Edward Tinker · 08-05-2007, 02:20 PM

fanto, I am not being rude, but if you have to ask which is more valuable and rare between a krieghoff and a mauser, I suggest you get books first before buying.

Ed

Pete Ebbink · 08-05-2007, 02:21 PM

Marco,

1. You might consider buying this book before considering an HK Luger purchase. Especially since HK Lugers are being made as forgeries out of other DWM Lugers.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=2664

To find this book for sale in Italia, you might search with this ISBN Number :

0-87833-314-2

2. In my opinion, I think an HK Luger is a better investment as only 13,000 or so HK Lugers were made and not all 13,000 survived the war. Compare that to hundreds of thousands of Lugers made by Mauser.

fantomark · 08-05-2007, 02:27 PM

Thanks!

I fact I am now reading my first book on LUGERS, but I have found so far vey little info on KRIEGHOFF Lugers, especially no details on markings and start/end of production....

Yes , I am a novice to lugers - but I am learning...
.A few books should be arriving in the post in the next weeks!

Thanks to all of you!!

Marco

Pete Ebbink · 08-05-2007, 02:33 PM

Marco,

The book by Gibson will give you many pages of serial numbers and dates of production.

It also has many chapters devoted in the book to markings one needs to look for in the many variations of the HK Luger made over the 10 years or so they were in production.

Your opening question is just too broad to give you a short answer...and the best thing is to buy the Gibson book.

While you wait for your book to arrive at your home, I would also suggest you take a few hours and read through all the discussion posting in this HK Luger section. Once you read and learn more, you might be able to ask more specific questions which the members with HK experience could try to answer for you.

My advice is to delay a purchase of an HK Luger for a few weeks...until you receive your book and can study more.

drbuster · 08-05-2007, 02:38 PM

Of course, the problem one faces is that someone else may buy the HK before Marco gets his education!

fantomark · 08-05-2007, 02:38 PM

Many thanks...In fact it is the Gibson book I ordered.
Unfortunately post is slow in Italy, in August.

In any case , I will post on the Forum photos of any Luger I will buy!
It is great to have friends worlwide sharing the hobby and so prompt at giving advice!!!

Cheers!

Marco

fantomark · 08-05-2007, 02:45 PM

Yes, drbuster - that's exactly the point!

On tuesday I will go on a recon anyway to see the Lugers the guy has to offer - then I will play by ear, also acting upon the info I get rom the Forum, if the book does not arrive tomorrow!

I have just managed to sell the SS grips MAUSER for a hefty price, and I can now affordto buy something better!

Let's see....what happens - I will keep you posted!!

Ciao!

arabitogu · 08-05-2007, 04:55 PM

Ciao Marco,

try also to find an italian book "Un secolo di Luger" written by Vittorio Bobba and published by Editoriale Olimpia.

Is not detailed but give to the readers a very good recap of a lot of infos available on a "world" of lugers!!

If you like give me an email address and i can send you a scanned HK pages of this book.

Ciao

Alberto

John D. · 08-07-2007, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by arabitogu
....

If you like give me an email address ...

Alberto is right. If you ask your questions here - I'm fairly certain someone with HK collecting experience can assist. There are several of those collectors on this Forum who have done their own research throughout the world. That includes more "research" than simply parroting a book or pulling pictures from others research/gallery.

My Best to you,

John D.

08-05-2007, 02:16 PM	#1
fantomark User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: milano, italy Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Heplp! - Krieghoff Production & Markings CIAO! From Italy. Tomorrow I am hopefully finalizing purchase of my second Luger (I hope with better luck then my first one!!). Probably , I will be in a position to chose between a MAUSER and a KRIEGHOFF - both just pre WWII or early WWII. Assuming that condition of the 2 pistols be the same , and that all parts are matching in both pistols, which of the two will be more valuable as a collectors item? Also , can anybody give me any info on KFIEGHOFF start and end of production years, and typical markings on pistol? Thanks to everybody!!!!

08-05-2007, 02:20 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,932 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,528 Times in 2,091 Posts	fanto, I am not being rude, but if you have to ask which is more valuable and rare between a krieghoff and a mauser, I suggest you get books first before buying. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-05-2007, 02:21 PM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Marco, 1. You might consider buying this book before considering an HK Luger purchase. Especially since HK Lugers are being made as forgeries out of other DWM Lugers. http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=2664 To find this book for sale in Italia, you might search with this ISBN Number : 0-87833-314-2 2. In my opinion, I think an HK Luger is a better investment as only 13,000 or so HK Lugers were made and not all 13,000 survived the war. Compare that to hundreds of thousands of Lugers made by Mauser.

08-05-2007, 02:27 PM	#4
fantomark User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: milano, italy Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks! I fact I am now reading my first book on LUGERS, but I have found so far vey little info on KRIEGHOFF Lugers, especially no details on markings and start/end of production.... Yes , I am a novice to lugers - but I am learning... .A few books should be arriving in the post in the next weeks! Thanks to all of you!! Marco

08-05-2007, 02:33 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Marco, The book by Gibson will give you many pages of serial numbers and dates of production. It also has many chapters devoted in the book to markings one needs to look for in the many variations of the HK Luger made over the 10 years or so they were in production. Your opening question is just too broad to give you a short answer...and the best thing is to buy the Gibson book. While you wait for your book to arrive at your home, I would also suggest you take a few hours and read through all the discussion posting in this HK Luger section. Once you read and learn more, you might be able to ask more specific questions which the members with HK experience could try to answer for you. My advice is to delay a purchase of an HK Luger for a few weeks...until you receive your book and can study more.

08-05-2007, 02:38 PM	#6
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Of course, the problem one faces is that someone else may buy the HK before Marco gets his education!

08-05-2007, 02:45 PM	#8
fantomark User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: milano, italy Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes, drbuster - that's exactly the point! On tuesday I will go on a recon anyway to see the Lugers the guy has to offer - then I will play by ear, also acting upon the info I get rom the Forum, if the book does not arrive tomorrow! I have just managed to sell the SS grips MAUSER for a hefty price, and I can now affordto buy something better! Let's see....what happens - I will keep you posted!! Ciao!

08-05-2007, 04:55 PM	#9
arabitogu User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ciao Marco, try also to find an italian book "Un secolo di Luger" written by Vittorio Bobba and published by Editoriale Olimpia. Is not detailed but give to the readers a very good recap of a lot of infos available on a "world" of lugers!! If you like give me an email address and i can send you a scanned HK pages of this book. Ciao Alberto