CCW, a Luger? (Dumb question # 2)

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by John Sabato

This was NOT a difficult conversion from a machinist point of view. I am sure that you have the skills to do this to a 1911 frame....

Gosh, no, I'm not that skilled...Well, maybe...

I do have an old Argentine Army frame that I've used as a 'mule' over the years...It's been plated, had the trigger well enlarged for Gold Cup trigger, re-shaped trigger guard, rounded heel...Some other stuff...It's pretty beat but I'm sure it would be happy to sacrifice itself for the greater good...

[Ron Wood]

That sucker has Sheepherder/Seecamp written all over it.

[John Sabato]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

That sucker has Sheepherder/Seecamp written all over it.

That would make it a Sheepcamp conversion!

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

That sucker has Sheepherder/Seecamp written all over it.

It's got 'old junk' written all over it...

I've been looking at as many pics as I can find and it's pretty obvious that the dimensions/angles of the component parts (the two studs + the transfer bar) are critical. Without a lot of experimentation (read: ruined parts) it'd be hard to get it right the first time. Looking/measuring an existing conversion would be desirable. I also can't tell how the swinging trigger pivot is accomplished...It almost seems to be hanging in the air...

I think we'll shelve this idea...

[Ron Wood]

I sense a headache averted.

[Curss]

Darn, that Sheepcamp conversion would be most entertaining to see!

[sheepherder]

I would like to see a stripped view of the right side...I'm guessing that only a very thin section of the frame is milled out, maybe less than .100", to allow installation of the transfer bar...The hairpin spring looks difficult to hold in place...I would think the trigger would be sprung as well...

I can't quite see how the hammer + stud is inserted...It wouldn't go in the conventional 1911 way...Trigger looks made from scratch...Can't figure out why the trigger guard is reshaped (or maybe replaced?)...

I don't have any 1911 parts left (hammer & trigger)...Maybe next Numrich order...

I might do en exploratory Seecamp-ectomy...A feasibility study...Just to see how much would need to be done...

Ah well...Just musing to myself...Got hours of stoning S&W internal parts waiting for me...

...I'd rather muse...

[John Sabato]

Rich check out the photos in this one for some of your answers.

http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2...num=1151124303

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by John Sabato

Rich check out the photos in this one for some of your answers.

http://www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2...num=1151124303

I appreciate the link, but no answers to be found there. I already have the 10-page patent drawings/text, and several pages of M1911Forum and The Firing Line threads w/pics...

On a humorous note, I had posted to a M1911Forum Seecamp conversion thread that had missing pics and got this email from the forum moderator -

Here is the message that has just been posted:
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---Quote (Originally by ferretface)---
Todd, your images aren't showing up...

---End Quote---
That's because he did them 4+ years ago. Old thread. No big deal, it's easy to miss the date when you are interested in something.
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Then the mod deleted my post and locked the thread...

[Ron Wood]

That conversion looks like a lot of work. Think I would rather eat a handful of live bees...it would be less painful.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

That conversion looks like a lot of work. Think I would rather eat a handful of live bees...it would be less painful.

I took a bumblebee in the forehead at 55mph one time, on a Triumph Bonneville...That wasn't much fun either...

(I wish I had a nickel for every bug I've eaten on a motorcycle since 1968)...

[John Sabato]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

The Seecamp Forum requires registration; maybe later...

I am not registered on that forum, and I had no trouble reading their forum threads and seeing their photos, and even downloading them. Not sure what kind of problem you had when you visited there...

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by John Sabato

I am not registered on that forum, and I had no trouble reading their forum threads and seeing their photos, and even downloading them. Not sure what kind of problem you had when you visited there...

I'm not sure either...I got the box with warning the first time I tried; now it lets me view the threads...

Got a couple good pics of the transfer bar...Still can't make out how the trigger pivots...

Lower conversion has more milled out; you can see the magazine...Top one is not milled out as deep...

[John Sabato]

There is enough "meat" on the left side of the upper portion of the trigger guard to allow a hole for a pin to support the pivoting trigger. The pivoting trigger's primary function is double action. When the pistol is already cocked, the pivoting trigger makes contact with what remains of the original trigger and uses it for tripping the single action sear.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by John Sabato

There is enough "meat" on the left side of the upper portion of the trigger guard to allow a hole for a pin to support the pivoting trigger.

OK, if I'm looking at the pics below, it appears that the trigger 'straddles' that slice of 'meat' by means of a slot milled in the trigger...But what is that rod or whatever it is sticking out the backside of the trigger???

[Ron Wood]

I'm guessing it is a plunger for the trigger return spring.

[sheepherder]

TSW Conversions Inc of Paramus NJ was a licensed Seecamp shop as late as 1984, but I can't find a web site for them, just a phone number.

I also found a pic of a converted Officers' model...I never liked the Officers' Model, but the conversion looks kind of cool...