Help Please - Page 2

Flintlock2016 · 03-28-2016, 12:21 PM

To all you wonderful, knowledgeable, intelligent people out there that took the time to answer my message and help immensely, I offer you my heartfelt and humble thanks.
Pleae, each and every one of you, pat yourselves on the back from me.
Thanks guys
John

guns3545 · 03-28-2016, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Flintlock2016

Many many thanks John. I would guess that would devalue the gun quite a lot?
Glad I haven't bought it.
John

John,

Not necessarily. It has limited collection value because it has been deactivated. But again, deactivation is the norm in the UK.

But don't write it off. It still is a 1936 model P.08.

And, without the gun in hand, my comments are solely based on a photo. The possibility always exist that the date stamp is unmolested. Only a hands on inspection would confirm or not.

And, frankly, I am still struggling to understand why someone would take time to refresh a date while the rest of the gun appears to be in its original state. Some damage there??

Again, one must have the gun in hand to declare anything as definitive.

Sorry not be be of help here.

John

Flintlock2016 · 03-28-2016, 12:34 PM

Thanks John, I won't take it off the list yet.
John

Sergio Natali · 03-28-2016, 01:30 PM

As far as the Birmingham proof mark “D A” stands for “DeActivaded”, while the figures shows the year of deactivation, so I guess it was deactivated last year.

Best.

sheepherder · 03-28-2016, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Flintlock2016

The asking price is £750.

Yahoo shows that to be $1068 USD. Seems kind of high for a deactivated Luger. Might be average in the UK though.

I notice the breechblock also has the deactivation stamp. Are any other areas stamped with the D-A/15???

Sergio Natali · 03-28-2016, 01:41 PM

Surely I wouldn't pay that much only for a paperweight!
Still that's the way the cookies crumble in the UK, let's keep our fingers crossed that the anti-gun craze won't spread all over the world or we'll be screwed!

Flintlock2016 · 03-28-2016, 02:15 PM

Hi Sergio
The price is about right for the uk.
We have a television programme over here called "Rip Off Britain". That sums up the uk.
Any houses for sale near you, I'd consider emigrating!
Cheers
John

Flintlock2016 · 03-28-2016, 02:20 PM

Hi Sheepherder
The price is about right for the uk!
Can't see any more deact marks. Why they need two though I don't know. Perhaps it's to spoil the gun even more.
UK gun laws are crazy.
John

John Sabato · 03-28-2016, 03:09 PM

IMHO, I think the only difference between the Date stamp on the subject gun and the example shown by DJU is that the latter is filled with some white material to make it show up in photos better... I think the date stamp is legitimate...

Just my $0.02 (or 2 pence as the case may be).

Flintlock2016 · 03-28-2016, 03:53 PM

Thanks John S it's back on top of the list!
Cheers
John

sheepherder · 03-28-2016, 05:32 PM

I think it is somewhat odd that the 1936 is straight-lined where the 1937 is all curved-lined...

mrerick · 03-28-2016, 05:49 PM

Here's another example of a 1936 receiver date:

guns3545 · 03-28-2016, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

I think it is somewhat odd that the 1936 is straight-lined where the 1937 is all curved-lined...

As mentioned previously, the chamber date font in 1936, i.e. the first year Mauser put dates on a P.08, the numbers were more angular; that is squared off.

In 1937 and subsequent years, the fonts were more curved.

Maybe it had to do with designing a roll die that would work well on a curved surface. Or perhaps the curved numbers caused less wear.

But, in any case, that's the way it was.

John

sheepherder · 03-28-2016, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mrerick

Here's another example of a 1936 receiver date:

Hey! You got Olle's Luger!!!

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Originally Posted by guns3545

Maybe it had to do with designing a roll die that would work well on a curved surface.

Maybe the 1936 was engraved, not stamped???

mrerick · 03-28-2016, 08:14 PM

Yes - I enjoyed Olle's post about his P.08 Luger serial number that ends in "08".

Mine is in the middle of the "i" block. This was the first year to actually have the year number engraved on the chamber... Were the "G" and "K" stamped or engraved?

Marc

sheepherder · 03-28-2016, 08:25 PM

Pic is small, but looks stamped...Nice squared corners...

sheepherder · 03-28-2016, 09:02 PM

Here's another 1936 from Jan's forum...

DonVoigt · 03-28-2016, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mrerick

Yes - I enjoyed Olle's post about his P.08 Luger serial number that ends in "08".

Mine is in the middle of the "i" block. This was the first year to actually have the year number engraved on the chamber... Were the "G" and "K" stamped or engraved?

Marc

Stamped.

sheepherder · 03-28-2016, 10:02 PM

'Search' here won't allow single-letter searches; I know there are some excellent pics of both K and G chamber dates [and S as well] but I can't find them...

I like the Gothic G best...

Flintlock2016 · 03-29-2016, 05:31 PM

Once again, thanks everybody for your contributions.
I think I'll buy it!
Cheers
John

03-28-2016, 01:30 PM	#24
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	As far as the Birmingham proof mark “D A” stands for “DeActivaded”, while the figures shows the year of deactivation, so I guess it was deactivated last year. Best. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

03-28-2016, 01:41 PM	#26
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Surely I wouldn't pay that much only for a paperweight! Still that's the way the cookies crumble in the UK, let's keep our fingers crossed that the anti-gun craze won't spread all over the world or we'll be screwed! __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

03-28-2016, 03:09 PM	#29
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	IMHO, I think the only difference between the Date stamp on the subject gun and the example shown by DJU is that the latter is filled with some white material to make it show up in photos better... I think the date stamp is legitimate... Just my $0.02 (or 2 pence as the case may be). __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-28-2016, 05:32 PM	#31
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	I think it is somewhat odd that the 1936 is straight-lined where the 1937 is all curved-lined... Attached Images __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

03-28-2016, 05:49 PM	#32
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Here's another example of a 1936 receiver date: Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-28-2016, 12:21 PM	#21
Flintlock2016 User Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 35 Thanks: 35 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	To all you wonderful, knowledgeable, intelligent people out there that took the time to answer my message and help immensely, I offer you my heartfelt and humble thanks. Pleae, each and every one of you, pat yourselves on the back from me. Thanks guys John

03-28-2016, 12:34 PM	#23
Flintlock2016 User Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 35 Thanks: 35 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks John, I won't take it off the list yet. John

03-28-2016, 02:15 PM	#27
Flintlock2016 User Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 35 Thanks: 35 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Sergio The price is about right for the uk. We have a television programme over here called "Rip Off Britain". That sums up the uk. Any houses for sale near you, I'd consider emigrating! Cheers John

03-28-2016, 02:20 PM	#28
Flintlock2016 User Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 35 Thanks: 35 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Sheepherder The price is about right for the uk! Can't see any more deact marks. Why they need two though I don't know. Perhaps it's to spoil the gun even more. UK gun laws are crazy. John

03-28-2016, 03:53 PM	#30
Flintlock2016 User Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 35 Thanks: 35 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks John S it's back on top of the list! Cheers John

03-28-2016, 08:14 PM	#35
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Yes - I enjoyed Olle's post about his P.08 Luger serial number that ends in "08". Mine is in the middle of the "i" block. This was the first year to actually have the year number engraved on the chamber... Were the "G" and "K" stamped or engraved? Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-28-2016, 08:25 PM	#36
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	Pic is small, but looks stamped...Nice squared corners... Attached Images __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

03-28-2016, 09:02 PM	#37
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	Here's another 1936 from Jan's forum... Attached Images __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

03-28-2016, 10:02 PM	#39
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	'Search' here won't allow single-letter searches; I know there are some excellent pics of both K and G chamber dates [and S as well] but I can't find them... I like the Gothic G best... Attached Images __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

03-29-2016, 05:31 PM	#40
Flintlock2016 User Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 35 Thanks: 35 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Once again, thanks everybody for your contributions. I think I'll buy it! Cheers John