1920 DWM S. Mg. 359 unit marking Mm?

jsmith · 11-23-2015, 08:57 PM

Hi i have a 1920 manf. DWM 9mm luger, marked S. Mg. 359, It has 2 dove eagle proofs on it's barrel extension's right side.
Can anyone translate this for me ? Thanks Jim

George Anderson · 11-23-2015, 09:35 PM

Why do you think it is 1920 manufacture? That date on the chamber may be misleading. Can you post photos of the unit marking and pistol?

Edward Tinker · 11-23-2015, 10:04 PM

doves are a good indication of early 1920's manufacture, but a number of pictures of the 1920, doves, left, right, and marking would be good.

Ed

jsmith · 11-23-2015, 11:23 PM

I'll try to take pics, but it'll be hard as it's been stripped.The eagles and 1920 are weak. I'm pretty sure its 1920 because it's factory stamped, not added for verisalles. I translate markings to Prussian police 1922 Magdesburg dist weapon #359.
Serial numbered 6014 n.

DonVoigt · 11-29-2015, 09:27 AM

On a 6014n pistol, the 1920 is likely a property number; some are stamped quite well- though many are pretty "funky".

Lets see some pictures!

jsmith · 12-01-2015, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

On a 6014n pistol, the 1920 is likely a property number; some are stamped quite well- though many are pretty "funky".

Lets see some pictures!

Here is some pictures, not the best but the pistol is stripped.

Ron Wood · 12-01-2015, 03:26 PM

Judging from the placement of the 1920 on the chamber, I would think it is a property marking rather than a date. The unit marking is for the Schutzpolizei (protection police) Magdeburg district.

alanint · 12-01-2015, 04:19 PM

Was this pistol bead blasted? The surface sure looks like it.

DonVoigt · 12-01-2015, 04:49 PM

1920 and 1921 dated military lugers were only made in the no suffix, a, and b suffix numbers;
not "n".
An Alphabet commercial in the "n" suffix would have been made later in the 1920's without any date, so any with a "1920"on the chamber would be a "1920 property" marking.
ref. Weimar Lugers by Still, p-13-14.

Are you sure it is an "n", how about a picture from the front of the frame?

Must have been sand blasted, glass won't move that much metal! JMHO.

Dwight Gruber · 12-01-2015, 05:33 PM

I will respectfully disagree with my friend Ron, and opine that the 1920 is a chamber date. The e/ArA4 stamps ten to support this.

From the information and pictures you have shown so far, it appears that the frame and upper were originally different guns.

Can you provide a photo of the markings under the barrel?

--Dwight

jsmith · 12-01-2015, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

Was this pistol bead blasted? The surface sure looks like it.

No not Bead Blasted, Naval Jelly, Pistol had surface rust.
Heres a couple more pics, sorry so bad but should work.

Don M · 12-04-2015, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

1920 and 1921 dated military lugers were only made in the no suffix, a, and b suffix numbers;
not "n".

There was an "n" series manufactured in 1920. See http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...light=n-suffix and many other posts.

11-23-2015, 08:57 PM	#1
jsmith User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	1920 DWM S. Mg. 359 unit marking Mm? Hi i have a 1920 manf. DWM 9mm luger, marked S. Mg. 359, It has 2 dove eagle proofs on it's barrel extension's right side. Can anyone translate this for me ? Thanks Jim Last edited by jsmith; 11-23-2015 at 11:17 PM.

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Judging from the placement of the 1920 on the chamber, I would think it is a property marking rather than a date. The unit marking is for the Schutzpolizei (protection police) Magdeburg district. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Why do you think it is 1920 manufacture? That date on the chamber may be misleading. Can you post photos of the unit marking and pistol?

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	doves are a good indication of early 1920's manufacture, but a number of pictures of the 1920, doves, left, right, and marking would be good. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-23-2015, 11:23 PM	#4
jsmith User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I'll try to take pics, but it'll be hard as it's been stripped.The eagles and 1920 are weak. I'm pretty sure its 1920 because it's factory stamped, not added for verisalles. I translate markings to Prussian police 1922 Magdesburg dist weapon #359. Serial numbered 6014 n.

11-29-2015, 09:27 AM	#5
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	On a 6014n pistol, the 1920 is likely a property number; some are stamped quite well- though many are pretty "funky". Lets see some pictures!

12-01-2015, 04:19 PM	#8
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Was this pistol bead blasted? The surface sure looks like it.

12-01-2015, 04:49 PM	#9
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	1920 and 1921 dated military lugers were only made in the no suffix, a, and b suffix numbers; not "n". An Alphabet commercial in the "n" suffix would have been made later in the 1920's without any date, so any with a "1920"on the chamber would be a "1920 property" marking. ref. Weimar Lugers by Still, p-13-14. Are you sure it is an "n", how about a picture from the front of the frame? Must have been sand blasted, glass won't move that much metal! JMHO.

12-01-2015, 05:33 PM	#10
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	I will respectfully disagree with my friend Ron, and opine that the 1920 is a chamber date. The e/ArA4 stamps ten to support this. From the information and pictures you have shown so far, it appears that the frame and upper were originally different guns. Can you provide a photo of the markings under the barrel? --Dwight