Thank you all for your comments

mm · 09-18-2003, 02:30 AM

Next time I notice an improper remark on the Forum, I will follow the the proceedures that John Sabato referred to for reporting it.

For the record, I am not Ukrainian. I am a sixth-generation American of Irish and German stock(both sides of the family). I hope that I did not offend anyone of Russian heritage - millions of good Russians also suffered under the brutal communist dictatorships of Lenin and Stalin. (If I offended supporters of brutal communist dictatorships - good!) For those interested in further information about the correct way to refer to Ukraine and the incorrect usage of the article "the" I recommend a good modern dictionary, the style books of the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and the Financial Times of London along with modern documents from the US State Department, Harvard University and Oxford University.

My Ukrainian friends do find it offensive to have their country defined as the "boonies" and "back woods" - these are not fitting descriptions of a proud people - a nation rich in literature, history, and culture - not unlike their Russian neighbor. In fact, my educated Russian friends share this view. MM

Ron Wood · 09-18-2003, 02:56 AM

mm,

Taking umbrage at the terms "boonies" and "back woods" in reference to "the" Ukraine is, in my opinion, totally justified and I respect your indignation. But, attacking the use of the article "the" when it was not meant in any way to be offensive (in any language) in my opinion is over reaction of the highest degree. I would hope that such petty indiscretions can be overlooked in the future since it leads to the unfortunate comments in the thread that has been locked.

As for myself, I will continue to refer to "the" Ukraine, just as I would refer to "the" USA, as it will be stated without any acrimony or bigotry intended.

Respectfully,
Ron wood

wterrell · 09-18-2003, 07:39 AM

mm.
I think that you need to check your medication.

Navy · 09-18-2003, 09:15 AM

Wes,
Amen, brother.
Too many *real* bad people with genuine hatred in their hearts and both the means and opportunity to do mischief out there for reasonable people to worry about semantic PC tom-foolery.
Tom A.

Michael Zeleny · 09-18-2003, 02:16 PM

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Sorry Michael, I think you are probably right, but lets not start this again,

Ed

09-18-2003, 02:30 AM	#1
mm User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SFBAY Posts: 82 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you all for your comments Next time I notice an improper remark on the Forum, I will follow the the proceedures that John Sabato referred to for reporting it. For the record, I am not Ukrainian. I am a sixth-generation American of Irish and German stock(both sides of the family). I hope that I did not offend anyone of Russian heritage - millions of good Russians also suffered under the brutal communist dictatorships of Lenin and Stalin. (If I offended supporters of brutal communist dictatorships - good!) For those interested in further information about the correct way to refer to Ukraine and the incorrect usage of the article "the" I recommend a good modern dictionary, the style books of the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and the Financial Times of London along with modern documents from the US State Department, Harvard University and Oxford University. My Ukrainian friends do find it offensive to have their country defined as the "boonies" and "back woods" - these are not fitting descriptions of a proud people - a nation rich in literature, history, and culture - not unlike their Russian neighbor. In fact, my educated Russian friends share this view. MM __________________ mjm

09-18-2003, 02:56 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	mm, Taking umbrage at the terms "boonies" and "back woods" in reference to "the" Ukraine is, in my opinion, totally justified and I respect your indignation. But, attacking the use of the article "the" when it was not meant in any way to be offensive (in any language) in my opinion is over reaction of the highest degree. I would hope that such petty indiscretions can be overlooked in the future since it leads to the unfortunate comments in the thread that has been locked. As for myself, I will continue to refer to "the" Ukraine, just as I would refer to "the" USA, as it will be stated without any acrimony or bigotry intended. Respectfully, Ron wood __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-18-2003, 07:39 AM	#3
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	mm. I think that you need to check your medication. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

09-18-2003, 02:16 PM	#5
Michael Zeleny Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 525 Thanks: 129 Thanked 138 Times in 76 Posts	***************deleted*************** <img border="0" alt="[offtopic]" title="" src="graemlins/offtopic.gif" /> Sorry Michael, I think you are probably right, but lets not start this again, Ed __________________ Michael Zeleny@post.harvard.edu -- http://larvatus.livejournal.com/ -- 7576 Willow Glen Road, Los Angeles, CA 90046 -- 323.363.1860 All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett

09-18-2003, 09:15 AM	#4
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Wes, Amen, brother. Too many real bad people with genuine hatred in their hearts and both the means and opportunity to do mischief out there for reasonable people to worry about semantic PC tom-foolery. Tom A.