9mm question

08-02-2006, 10:46 AM

The 9mm we use in the Luger is the 9MM Parabellun (9X19), but what kind of 9mm is used lets say in the Beretta 92? Is that 9mm Luger too. Sorry for this dumb question, but since I only shoot Lugers and P-38's, I never got a chance to find out what the other 9's like the Beretta shoot.

Bob

pvluger · 08-02-2006, 11:18 AM

Yeah, its the same. The 9mm round itself has the name "luger" because it has its original ties to the p08 pistol.

Edward Tinker · 08-02-2006, 07:15 PM

pvluger is correct;

However, there are lots of 9mm rounds besides luger. Such as 9mm largo, 9mm kurz (380 here in the usa)....etc...

Ed

Vlim · 08-03-2006, 07:24 AM

Hi,

Yes. 9mm luger and 9mm parabellum (the same round) have become somewhat of a household name and it still is by large the most popular pistol (and machine pistol) round in existance.

Both 9mm luger and 9mm parabellum point to the same 9x19 round.

The number of producers and variations ensure that 9mm collectors never run out of things to collect with the certainty that they will never own all 9mm variations

08-10-2006, 11:16 AM

Thanks for the help guys, I always figured that, but was not 100 % sure.

unspellable · 08-14-2006, 10:30 AM

They are the same but they aren't.

Today's factory loaded 9 mm has a shorter OAL than the original round as designed by Georg Luger and first loaded by DWM. The who, when, where, and whats of this change are at present unknown. (At least to me.) It's a mystery why, as I can think of no advantage to be gained by shortening the round, except perhaps a better neck grip on the bullet but I've never heard of any problems in that are with the original.

It's the real behind the scenes cause of the Luger's sometimes spotty reputation for reliability as the magazine design, like most 22 LR magazines, depends on a correct OAL for a proper feed angle. The 22 LR magazine s forced to this technique because it's a rimmed cartridge. The Luger uses this technique because of the slanted grip angle.

hqbmw · 08-14-2006, 05:25 PM

If of interest to any Forum Member, I have a collection of apx 600 to 650 diffferent 9mm shells. The American versions are board mounted and the other country's rounds are bagged. it is pretty impressive to see the nature and construction of so many different rounds of the same caliber. Must apologize, however, all 9 of the DWMs are going to stay with me.

Contact me with "9mmLuger" in the title of your e-mail if interested. My e-mail address is included in my profile.

Jack Hiles
Mesa AZ

GunCat · 09-02-2006, 03:10 PM

Yep, it's the same ol' good 9mm that all three guns shoot. Currently, I have both the Luger and the Beretta 92, and some day I hope to own the P38 too!

There is 9mm short though which is different, 9x17, that some guns use. Also called .380. The PPK/S is in .380 and .32 Auto. There is also the 9x18 Makarov, which isn't really even 9mm, more like 9.2mm. Not to mention a few others.

Quite a testement to the 9mm cartridge when you consider nearly 100 years ago the Germans adopted it for the Luger pistol, and today we still use it in the Beretta M9.

Synonyms for 9mm Luger

9mm Parabellum
9mm Luger
9x19

Is all the same thing. I've heard people refer to it as 9mm auto before too.

08-02-2006, 10:46 AM	#1
ironcross4148 Guest Posts: n/a	9mm question The 9mm we use in the Luger is the 9MM Parabellun (9X19), but what kind of 9mm is used lets say in the Beretta 92? Is that 9mm Luger too. Sorry for this dumb question, but since I only shoot Lugers and P-38's, I never got a chance to find out what the other 9's like the Beretta shoot. Bob

08-02-2006, 11:18 AM	#2
pvluger User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Wild West Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah, its the same. The 9mm round itself has the name "luger" because it has its original ties to the p08 pistol. __________________ '39 S/42 shooter 'Eine Mass bitte'

08-14-2006, 05:25 PM	#7
hqbmw User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If of interest to any Forum Member, I have a collection of apx 600 to 650 diffferent 9mm shells. The American versions are board mounted and the other country's rounds are bagged. it is pretty impressive to see the nature and construction of so many different rounds of the same caliber. Must apologize, however, all 9 of the DWMs are going to stay with me. Contact me with "9mmLuger" in the title of your e-mail if interested. My e-mail address is included in my profile. Jack Hiles Mesa AZ __________________ Jack Hiles Mesa AZ

09-02-2006, 03:10 PM	#8
GunCat User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yep, it's the same ol' good 9mm that all three guns shoot. Currently, I have both the Luger and the Beretta 92, and some day I hope to own the P38 too! There is 9mm short though which is different, 9x17, that some guns use. Also called .380. The PPK/S is in .380 and .32 Auto. There is also the 9x18 Makarov, which isn't really even 9mm, more like 9.2mm. Not to mention a few others. Quite a testement to the 9mm cartridge when you consider nearly 100 years ago the Germans adopted it for the Luger pistol, and today we still use it in the Beretta M9. Synonyms for 9mm Luger 9mm Parabellum 9mm Luger 9x19 Is all the same thing. I've heard people refer to it as 9mm auto before too. __________________ P.08 Luger (Mauser, 1940) Others: Beretta 92FS, Mosin Nagant 91/30, Mauser M48, Beretta 3032

08-02-2006, 07:15 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	pvluger is correct; However, there are lots of 9mm rounds besides luger. Such as 9mm largo, 9mm kurz (380 here in the usa)....etc... Ed

08-03-2006, 07:24 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,035 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,889 Times in 1,187 Posts	Hi, Yes. 9mm luger and 9mm parabellum (the same round) have become somewhat of a household name and it still is by large the most popular pistol (and machine pistol) round in existance. Both 9mm luger and 9mm parabellum point to the same 9x19 round. The number of producers and variations ensure that 9mm collectors never run out of things to collect with the certainty that they will never own all 9mm variations

08-10-2006, 11:16 AM	#5
ironcross4148 Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks for the help guys, I always figured that, but was not 100 % sure.

08-14-2006, 10:30 AM	#6
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts	They are the same but they aren't. Today's factory loaded 9 mm has a shorter OAL than the original round as designed by Georg Luger and first loaded by DWM. The who, when, where, and whats of this change are at present unknown. (At least to me.) It's a mystery why, as I can think of no advantage to be gained by shortening the round, except perhaps a better neck grip on the bullet but I've never heard of any problems in that are with the original. It's the real behind the scenes cause of the Luger's sometimes spotty reputation for reliability as the magazine design, like most 22 LR magazines, depends on a correct OAL for a proper feed angle. The 22 LR magazine s forced to this technique because it's a rimmed cartridge. The Luger uses this technique because of the slanted grip angle.