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Hugo Borchardt · 03-13-2012, 10:02 PM

Interesting holster! Modified from an Astra or a C96 Broomhandle? Is it marked?

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1970boss · 03-13-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugo Borchardt

Interesting holster! Modified from an Astra or a C96 Broomhandle? Is it marked?

Welcome to the forum!

I don't think its been modified at all but can't be 100% sure. I remember this since the early 60's and I am sure its the way My Dad brought it back from Europe in 45. I just know it does not look like any other Luger Holster I have seen. I looked it over and did not see any obvious markings. It always had the take down tool in the holster. Any way to tell for sure what it is?? Thanks,Bob

Hugo Borchardt · 03-14-2012, 06:29 PM

The "Dotted Line" rectangle on the front of the holster is where the magazine pouch was removed from the original holster. It is definitely a well-done conversion from a holster for another gun to a luger holster, I am just not sure which one. Could have been done by a commercial holster maker during the war.

1970boss · 03-14-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugo Borchardt

The "Dotted Line" rectangle on the front of the holster is where the magazine pouch was removed from the original holster. It is definitely a well-done conversion from a holster for another gun to a luger holster, I am just not sure which one. Could have been done by a commercial holster maker during the war.

OK,I understand what your referring to. I really never noticed that before you pointed it out. I am going to look over this very carefully to see if I can find any type of marking. I would really like to find out if this could of been the original holster for the gun or not? Thanks,Bob

wlyon · 03-14-2012, 07:25 PM

Bob
Interesting holster. I am sure it was not what was initially issued with the luger. This appears to be a well converted broomhandle holster. Hard to tell when it was done. It could rest with my holster collection anytime. Bill

alvin · 03-14-2012, 08:36 PM

Some Weimar police unit marked short barrel Red 9s came with similar holsters. This holster should be a conversion from one of those.

sheepherder · 03-14-2012, 08:52 PM

Question: If converted from a C96 holster...Why would a C96 holster have a magazine pouch???

alvin · 03-14-2012, 09:04 PM

I think that side magazine pouch was an add-on. Original C96 holster did not have that pouch. C96 holster had a front pouch (holding clip of ammo, or spare magazine spring? I don't know), which was removed from this holster.

Hugo Borchardt · 03-20-2012, 11:40 AM

While researching something else, ran across a picture of a very similar holster on page 119 of Jan Still's Weimar and Early Nazi Lugers. Looks pretty much identical!

This one was paired with a Weimar reworked Police Luger.

According to the text, this holster is police marked P.B. 130. The conversion from Broomhandle to Luger holster consisted of adding a magazine pouch, loading tool pouch, and a larger flap to cover the magazine pouch.

steven c · 03-22-2012, 07:16 PM

Bob,
very nice 1939 luger you have there. Mrerick had mentioned the other variation of the 1939 code the S/42 here is an example of mine. the S/42 code stoped sometime in april of 39

steve,

padredan · 03-22-2012, 08:25 PM

very nice

1970boss · 03-23-2012, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugo Borchardt

While researching something else, ran across a picture of a very similar holster on page 119 of Jan Still's Weimar and Early Nazi Lugers. Looks pretty much identical!

This one was paired with a Weimar reworked Police Luger.

According to the text, this holster is police marked P.B. 130. The conversion from Broomhandle to Luger holster consisted of adding a magazine pouch, loading tool pouch, and a larger flap to cover the magazine pouch.

Hugo,
WOW,that looks identical to it. I think you have solved the mystery. Thank You so much for posting this photo. I wish I had asked My father more questions about the Gun but like many Vets He did not like to talk about the War much. My Mom would push Him to talk and He would finally give in and say a few things but not much. I asked my Mom this week if this is the holster He brought the Gun home with and She said Yes so I knew it was period correct. After looking over the holster carefully I see a very faided round stamp. I will try to photograph it and post it but it may be hard to see. Thanks again for posting the photo. Bob

1970boss · 03-23-2012, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by steven c

Bob,
very nice 1939 luger you have there. Mrerick had mentioned the other variation of the 1939 code the S/42 here is an example of mine. the S/42 code stoped sometime in april of 39

steve,

Steve,
Thank You. You have a beautiful example as well. Thanks for taking the time to read the thread and post a photo of your Luger. Bob

lugerholsterrepair · 03-23-2012, 11:12 AM

Bob, A rarely seen holster for sure! If the pistol were earlier I would suspect a Police association. As it is the pistol and holster could have been married up before your Father got it.

You were asked about the serial numbers on your magazine bottoms earlier but I don't see where you answered that? Are they matching or Police?

1970boss · 03-23-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Bob, A rarely seen holster for sure! If the pistol were earlier I would suspect a Police association. As it is the pistol and holster could have been married up before your Father got it.

You were asked about the serial numbers on your magazine bottoms earlier but I don't see where you answered that? Are they matching or Police?

Jerry,
Thanks for the post. You are right,I forgot to document my findings on the 2 clips. 1 of the clips matches the serial # of the Gun. The 2nd clip has a 425 stamped on the bottom and a few other markings below it. One of them is a + sigh stamped into it. Not sure if this info sheds any light on the origin of the Gun and Holster?? Thanks,Bob

lugerholsterrepair · 03-23-2012, 05:03 PM

Bob, Neither one of these magazines are "clips" That is a misnomer commenly used by people unfamiliar with firearms nomenclature. Something along the line of using lugar rather than Luger. It is a highly noteable mistake.

Your magazine with the matching number and a + identifies your pistol as an Army. Made an Army and stayed an Army.

Your other magazine with 425... and "a few other markings below it?" Do you know how unsatisfactory that description is to those who are trying to investigate what you asked about?

Magazines can be a very important portal with which to look at the history of a pistol..Particularly those that came home with a bring back and especially matching ones.

1970boss · 03-24-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Bob, Neither one of these magazines are "clips" That is a misnomer commenly used by people unfamiliar with firearms nomenclature. Something along the line of using lugar rather than Luger. It is a highly noteable mistake.

Your magazine with the matching number and a + identifies your pistol as an Army. Made an Army and stayed an Army.

Your other magazine with 425... and "a few other markings below it?" Do you know how unsatisfactory that description is to those who are trying to investigate what you asked about?

Magazines can be a very important portal with which to look at the history of a pistol..Particularly those that came home with a bring back and especially matching ones.

Jerry,
Sorry for the mis-quote. I will take a photo of each magazine and post it this weekend. Some of these markings are very small and may not show up well but its worth a shot. Thanks,Bob

1970boss · 03-31-2012, 11:03 AM

Ok,finally got around to getting the additional photo of the magazines. Here is the end with the markings on it. The one on the left matches the Luger. Not sure of the origin of the one on the right. I know the quality is not that great so I may have to get a better camera to photograph these.
Thanks,Bob

tharpo · 03-31-2012, 04:28 PM

Bob,
Your matching magazine 6743u looks good. It has the correct 1939 straight winged eagle/63 acceptance stamp. Your other magazine 425e has a droop winged eagle/63 acceptance stamp and is from a 1935 G date luger.

Tom

1970boss · 03-31-2012, 07:02 PM

Tom,
Thanks for the info. At least I know the 1 Magazine is original to the gun. I am betting that the other magazine was matched up with the Gun when it got the holster. I am going to look over the holster closer in the daylight to see if I can find any stamps or markings. Bob

03-13-2012, 10:02 PM	#21
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 338 Thanked 131 Times in 47 Posts	Interesting holster! Modified from an Astra or a C96 Broomhandle? Is it marked? Welcome to the forum! __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

03-14-2012, 06:29 PM	#23
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 338 Thanked 131 Times in 47 Posts	The "Dotted Line" rectangle on the front of the holster is where the magazine pouch was removed from the original holster. It is definitely a well-done conversion from a holster for another gun to a luger holster, I am just not sure which one. Could have been done by a commercial holster maker during the war. __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

03-14-2012, 07:25 PM	#25
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,614 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,519 Times in 939 Posts	Bob Interesting holster. I am sure it was not what was initially issued with the luger. This appears to be a well converted broomhandle holster. Hard to tell when it was done. It could rest with my holster collection anytime. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

03-14-2012, 08:52 PM	#27
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	Question: If converted from a C96 holster...Why would a C96 holster have a magazine pouch??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

03-20-2012, 11:40 AM	#29
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 338 Thanked 131 Times in 47 Posts	While researching something else, ran across a picture of a very similar holster on page 119 of Jan Still's Weimar and Early Nazi Lugers. Looks pretty much identical! This one was paired with a Weimar reworked Police Luger. According to the text, this holster is police marked P.B. 130. The conversion from Broomhandle to Luger holster consisted of adding a magazine pouch, loading tool pouch, and a larger flap to cover the magazine pouch. Attached Thumbnails __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

03-14-2012, 08:36 PM	#26
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Some Weimar police unit marked short barrel Red 9s came with similar holsters. This holster should be a conversion from one of those.

03-14-2012, 09:04 PM	#28
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I think that side magazine pouch was an add-on. Original C96 holster did not have that pouch. C96 holster had a front pouch (holding clip of ammo, or spare magazine spring? I don't know), which was removed from this holster.

03-22-2012, 07:16 PM	#30
steven c User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: texas Posts: 60 Thanks: 15 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Bob, very nice 1939 luger you have there. Mrerick had mentioned the other variation of the 1939 code the S/42 here is an example of mine. the S/42 code stoped sometime in april of 39 steve, Attached Thumbnails

03-22-2012, 08:25 PM	#31
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	very nice __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

03-23-2012, 11:12 AM	#34
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Bob, A rarely seen holster for sure! If the pistol were earlier I would suspect a Police association. As it is the pistol and holster could have been married up before your Father got it. You were asked about the serial numbers on your magazine bottoms earlier but I don't see where you answered that? Are they matching or Police? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-23-2012, 05:03 PM	#36
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Bob, Neither one of these magazines are "clips" That is a misnomer commenly used by people unfamiliar with firearms nomenclature. Something along the line of using lugar rather than Luger. It is a highly noteable mistake. Your magazine with the matching number and a + identifies your pistol as an Army. Made an Army and stayed an Army. Your other magazine with 425... and "a few other markings below it?" Do you know how unsatisfactory that description is to those who are trying to investigate what you asked about? Magazines can be a very important portal with which to look at the history of a pistol..Particularly those that came home with a bring back and especially matching ones. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-31-2012, 11:03 AM	#38
1970boss User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 18 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok,finally got around to getting the additional photo of the magazines. Here is the end with the markings on it. The one on the left matches the Luger. Not sure of the origin of the one on the right. I know the quality is not that great so I may have to get a better camera to photograph these. Thanks,Bob

03-31-2012, 04:28 PM	#39
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 536 Thanks: 116 Thanked 375 Times in 153 Posts	Bob, Your matching magazine 6743u looks good. It has the correct 1939 straight winged eagle/63 acceptance stamp. Your other magazine 425e has a droop winged eagle/63 acceptance stamp and is from a 1935 G date luger. Tom

03-31-2012, 07:02 PM	#40
1970boss User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 18 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tom, Thanks for the info. At least I know the 1 Magazine is original to the gun. I am betting that the other magazine was matched up with the Gun when it got the holster. I am going to look over the holster closer in the daylight to see if I can find any stamps or markings. Bob