Swiss 29 details

Proofed · 09-03-2019, 06:55 AM

A new one to me in need of a good cleaning after that it ill be one fine pistol. Lots of differences to look at.

Proofed · 09-03-2019, 07:04 AM

More of the same

Proofed · 09-03-2019, 07:10 AM

And more

Proofed · 09-03-2019, 07:31 AM

Last ones

hayhugh · 09-03-2019, 10:07 AM

Great looking Swiss!

DonVoigt · 09-03-2019, 10:13 AM

Looks good.
Thanks for taking the time to produce the great close-ups.

mrerick · 09-03-2019, 10:51 AM

Congratulations on your Swiss Luger. October, 1936.

The red "Canvesite" grips are particularly brittle, and easy to chip. Take extreme care when handling the grips and the Luger. It's very difficult to find replacements.

I bought a 1935 Swiss Luger with a grip that was chipped badly, and it took me two years to find an original replacement grip.

Ron Wood · 09-03-2019, 11:34 AM

Wayne,
That is a sweet item! Ditto on the comment on the Canvesite grips, ones that nice are hard to come by.
Ron

HerrKaiser · 09-03-2019, 12:31 PM

I can see the “P” for private purchase mark on the left side of the frame, does it have a date as to when it was privately purchased out of service?

Proofed · 09-03-2019, 01:47 PM

Thanks for letting me know about the grips I will be especially carefull of them.
I do not know of any other dates on the pistol other than mfg. Oct-36 and i'm not aware of any dating put on these pistols to reflect out of service.

HerrKaiser · 09-03-2019, 02:37 PM

On a lot of the Swiss examples I have seen at Simpson’s website, if they do it it’s usually near the P and just the last 2 digits of the year. Yours might or might not have had it done, but it looks excellent. Congratulations on your acquisition.

Lugerdoc · 09-04-2019, 10:21 AM

Wayne, Great close-up photos including inspector's marking. Anyone needing similar parts ---- I have most of them in stock. TH

Sergio Natali · 09-05-2019, 05:10 AM

Congrats on a great looking Model 29 1937 production s/n 53901 - 55030

Beautiful pictures.

Stucki · 09-05-2019, 03:19 PM

The Waffenfabrik Bern produced this pistol in October 1936 and delivered it to the Swiss Army in February 1937.

Alexander

Proofed · 09-07-2019, 02:53 AM

Thanks so much for the date details of when and when. I really appreciate it.

Sergio Natali · 09-07-2019, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stucki

The Waffenfabrik Bern produced this pistol in October 1936 and delivered it to the Swiss Army in February 1937.

Alexander

Could you please let me know where did you find it?

Stucki · 09-07-2019, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sergio Natali

Could you please let me know where did you find it?

As far as I know, today there is no information left, which indicate the time of production of Swiss Lugers. The existing records of the W+F provide information about the time of delivery of the pistols. I am relying on copies of the W+F delivery books, which until recently were still kept at RUAG.

In addition, I am aware of W+F documents from the Swiss Federal Archives with corresponding information. One of these documents (from 1946) is entitled "Produktion von Serie Pistolen" (production of pistols). But that is misleading. The document is obviously based on the above-mentioned delivery books of the W+F. I assume, that Bobba and other authors, had access to this document and therefore we have this confusion about production and delivery information.

When you compare the indication about month and year in the frame of pistols 06/29 with the information in the delivery books, you can see, that the delivery normally took place in the same month or one to two months later than production date in the frame of the pistol (rarely more than two months).

I also have the impression, that the entries in the delivery books have not always been made carefully, there are some obvious mistakes in them.

Alexander

Sergio Natali · 09-07-2019, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stucki

As far as I know, today there is no information left, which indicate the time of production of Swiss Lugers. The existing records of the W+F provide information about the time of delivery of the pistols. I am relying on copies of the W+F delivery books, which until recently were still kept at RUAG.

In addition, I am aware of W+F documents from the Swiss Federal Archives with corresponding information. One of these documents (from 1946) is entitled "Produktion von Serie Pistolen" (production of pistols). But that is misleading. The document is obviously based on the above-mentioned delivery books of the W+F. I assume, that Bobba and other authors, had access to this document and therefore we have this confusion about production and delivery information.

When you compare the indication about month and year in the frame of pistols 06/29 with the information in the delivery books, you can see, that the delivery normally took place in the same month or one to two months later than production date in the frame of the pistol (rarely more than two months).

I also have the impression, that the entries in the delivery books have not always been made carefully, there are some obvious mistakes in them.

Alexander

Thanks for your reply, actually I based my reply on what I've always considered "the Holy Bible of the Swiss Lugers" i.e. Mr Vittorio Bobba's books.

Stucki · 09-07-2019, 05:12 PM

It's a bit of a problem with the Bible - it's just a matter of faith…

To be serious: Bobba is today still one of the best you can read about Swiss Lugers - beside the three volumes of Sturgess and Görtz. Bobba also used primary sources, but his book contains also some errors.

A new book about Swiss Lugers is one of my retirement projects…

Ron Wood · 09-07-2019, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stucki

...A new book about Swiss Lugers is one of my retirement projects…

Please don't wait too long. I don't have a lot of years left (but am shooting for at least 20

).

Ron

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Looks good. Thanks for taking the time to produce the great close-ups. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Congratulations on your Swiss Luger. October, 1936. The red "Canvesite" grips are particularly brittle, and easy to chip. Take extreme care when handling the grips and the Luger. It's very difficult to find replacements. I bought a 1935 Swiss Luger with a grip that was chipped badly, and it took me two years to find an original replacement grip. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Wayne, That is a sweet item! Ditto on the comment on the Canvesite grips, ones that nice are hard to come by. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 847 Thanks: 782 Thanked 860 Times in 410 Posts	I can see the “P” for private purchase mark on the left side of the frame, does it have a date as to when it was privately purchased out of service? __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

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Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	grips and dates Thanks for letting me know about the grips I will be especially carefull of them. I do not know of any other dates on the pistol other than mfg. Oct-36 and i'm not aware of any dating put on these pistols to reflect out of service.

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HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 847 Thanks: 782 Thanked 860 Times in 410 Posts	On a lot of the Swiss examples I have seen at Simpson’s website, if they do it it’s usually near the P and just the last 2 digits of the year. Yours might or might not have had it done, but it looks excellent. Congratulations on your acquisition. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Wayne, Great close-up photos including inspector's marking. Anyone needing similar parts ---- I have most of them in stock. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

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Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Congrats on a great looking Model 29 1937 production s/n 53901 - 55030 Beautiful pictures. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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Stucki User Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 84 Thanks: 1 Thanked 130 Times in 34 Posts	The Waffenfabrik Bern produced this pistol in October 1936 and delivered it to the Swiss Army in February 1937. Alexander

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Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	Date Details Thanks so much for the date details of when and when. I really appreciate it.

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Stucki User Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 84 Thanks: 1 Thanked 130 Times in 34 Posts	It's a bit of a problem with the Bible - it's just a matter of faith… To be serious: Bobba is today still one of the best you can read about Swiss Lugers - beside the three volumes of Sturgess and Görtz. Bobba also used primary sources, but his book contains also some errors. A new book about Swiss Lugers is one of my retirement projects…