1927 DWM Police Luger <img BORDER="0" src='http://forum.rennlist.com/luger/pic.gif'>

ccmano · 03-29-2002, 09:34 PM

I'm not really up on Lugers but not completely unknowledgeable either. I ran accross this Luger in a pawn shop Wednesday.

DWM manufacture, condition 85%

serial number 27xxq

no chamber date

all parts matching and numbered

has a sear safty

no military proof marks

has commercial crown/n proofs

has stock lug

front strap marked "S.D.II.49.R.1644" and X'd out

tiny eagle stamp on bottom of barrel above serial number

I've done some research and with the help of VIS35 over at Parallax boards we've determined it to be "1920 DWM Commercial Luger" produced in 1927 according to my sources (J.C.Still, "Weimar and Early Nazi Lugers"). Markings are Police.

"During the Weimar Era, the 20's and early 30's, a qazillion Lugers were turned out from left over parts, new made parts, left over Imperial Lugers and new made Lugers. A good rule of thumb is, if it does not fit in known variations it is probably a 1920 commercial. Short barrels, long barrels, super long barrels, scope sights and mounts, psuedo artilleries, navals, etc. almost endless concoctions. The serial with its attendant letter suffix pretty much indicates it started life as a military or at least a scrubbed military or possibly ex military parts.

It was taken in for Weimar Era Police use, the give away is the sear safety. This was strictly a police characteristic.

The grip strap markings are Prussian Police.

Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei) by directive 5 April 1922. Weapon no. 1644 of the 49th centuria within II command, Dusseldorf (S.D.)"

The only thing I can add is that the "R" in the marking indicates "Revierhauptmannschaft" which was apparently a militarized Police used in large cities as an adjunct to the regular police (Still)

I bought it for $400. Really a very nice gun. All matching except the magazine. Great crisp bore with a tiny bit of frosting. The front and back straps are worn. Some holster wear here and there. I took my books with me to the pawn shop and convinced them as to what they had. Blue book shows it for $400 at about 85% which is about the right % of finish for this gun.

There are a few interesting markings. The top one is the bottom of the magazine. Obviously not matching but appears to be Weimar with that E/63.

Does anyone know the significance of the tiny eagle above the serial number on the bootom of the barrel?

Here's a little photo layout of it.

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/PoliceLuger1927_2.jpg

schwob · 03-29-2002, 09:41 PM

Nice looking weapon. The pictures are great and do the Luger full justice.

Orv Reichert · 03-29-2002, 09:50 PM

Great gun.......lots of history! Nice photos and posting!

Thanks...I always like to look!

Orv Reichert

bill m · 03-29-2002, 11:09 PM

Hi,

Your magazine base is a WWII military for a 1936 S/42 Luger. The "k" suffix and the droop eagle 63 tells us this.

The eagle on the barrel is most likely a Simson eagle and shows that this is a replacement barrel that the police added and was not originally on this Luger. The original would have the C/N on it.

The serial number on the left reciever is not correct, and has been added. It would be correct to have the 2742, but never correct to have the 2742 q -- the letter suffix was never added in this location.

Lonnie Zimmerman · 03-29-2002, 11:27 PM

Used by the Police (under Himmler) during the Nazi era.

Lonnie

03-30-2002, 06:48 AM

Nice gun, great deal, lots of history. Next time you find one like that please call me.

Roadkill

03-30-2002, 09:51 AM

CCMANO, You have a nice early Nazi police rebarreled/reworked (probably by Simson) Commerical (C/N) luger. Tom h.

03-29-2002, 09:34 PM	#1
ccmano User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Denver Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1927 DWM Police Luger I'm not really up on Lugers but not completely unknowledgeable either. I ran accross this Luger in a pawn shop Wednesday. DWM manufacture, condition 85% serial number 27xxq no chamber date all parts matching and numbered has a sear safty no military proof marks has commercial crown/n proofs has stock lug front strap marked "S.D.II.49.R.1644" and X'd out tiny eagle stamp on bottom of barrel above serial number I've done some research and with the help of VIS35 over at Parallax boards we've determined it to be "1920 DWM Commercial Luger" produced in 1927 according to my sources (J.C.Still, "Weimar and Early Nazi Lugers"). Markings are Police. "During the Weimar Era, the 20's and early 30's, a qazillion Lugers were turned out from left over parts, new made parts, left over Imperial Lugers and new made Lugers. A good rule of thumb is, if it does not fit in known variations it is probably a 1920 commercial. Short barrels, long barrels, super long barrels, scope sights and mounts, psuedo artilleries, navals, etc. almost endless concoctions. The serial with its attendant letter suffix pretty much indicates it started life as a military or at least a scrubbed military or possibly ex military parts. It was taken in for Weimar Era Police use, the give away is the sear safety. This was strictly a police characteristic. The grip strap markings are Prussian Police. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei) by directive 5 April 1922. Weapon no. 1644 of the 49th centuria within II command, Dusseldorf (S.D.)" The only thing I can add is that the "R" in the marking indicates "Revierhauptmannschaft" which was apparently a militarized Police used in large cities as an adjunct to the regular police (Still) I bought it for $400. Really a very nice gun. All matching except the magazine. Great crisp bore with a tiny bit of frosting. The front and back straps are worn. Some holster wear here and there. I took my books with me to the pawn shop and convinced them as to what they had. Blue book shows it for $400 at about 85% which is about the right % of finish for this gun. There are a few interesting markings. The top one is the bottom of the magazine. Obviously not matching but appears to be Weimar with that E/63. Does anyone know the significance of the tiny eagle above the serial number on the bootom of the barrel? Here's a little photo layout of it. http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/PoliceLuger1927_2.jpg

03-29-2002, 09:41 PM	#2
schwob RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Coast of Maine Posts: 273 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1927 DWM Police Luger, pix Nice looking weapon. The pictures are great and do the Luger full justice.

03-29-2002, 09:50 PM	#3
Orv Reichert RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW Washington State Posts: 339 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1920 Police Great gun.......lots of history! Nice photos and posting! Thanks...I always like to look! Orv Reichert

03-29-2002, 11:09 PM	#4
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1927 DWM Police Luger Hi, Your magazine base is a WWII military for a 1936 S/42 Luger. The "k" suffix and the droop eagle 63 tells us this. The eagle on the barrel is most likely a Simson eagle and shows that this is a replacement barrel that the police added and was not originally on this Luger. The original would have the C/N on it. The serial number on the left reciever is not correct, and has been added. It would be correct to have the 2742, but never correct to have the 2742 q -- the letter suffix was never added in this location.

03-29-2002, 11:27 PM	#5
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 1927 DWM Police Luger Used by the Police (under Himmler) during the Nazi era. Lonnie

03-30-2002, 06:48 AM	#6
R. Grady/Roadkill Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 1927 DWM Police Luger Nice gun, great deal, lots of history. Next time you find one like that please call me. Roadkill

03-30-2002, 09:51 AM	#7
tom h Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 1927 DWM Police Luger CCMANO, You have a nice early Nazi police rebarreled/reworked (probably by Simson) Commerical (C/N) luger. Tom h.