New here with questions

Knight Diver · 04-29-2011, 06:32 PM

Obviously, with my number of posts here, I'm new on this forum. I am also very ignorant about Lugers. However I really like Lugers and want to learn more. I've read almost all the threads in this Navy forum, trying to learn.

A friend's father has this gun. All I have are these photos that he has taken, but I think it is a Navy. Can you all take a look at them and give me an opinion. The story that goes with this gun, if true, makes it pretty interesting. But I'd like some opinions first to see if the story can be true.

Thanks.

sheepherder · 04-29-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Knight Diver

A friend's father has this gun. All I have are these photos that he has taken, but I think it is a Navy.

You link only one photo, and the rest of the album is restricted. The rear sight looks like a Navy, but there are some very skillful repros around - plus some genuine rear sights being sold on GB.

More pics posted directly to this forum are your best bet for help.

Knight Diver · 04-29-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

You link only one photo, and the rest of the album is restricted. The rear sight looks like a Navy, but there are some very skillful repros around - plus some genuine rear sights being sold on GB.

More pics posted directly to this forum are your best bet for help.

Sorry. I realized it and fixed it right away. But not quick enough, I guess. Can you look again and see if I got it right?

Does this forum allow new members to post directly? I will gladly do that if so. Guess I'll read some more about how to use this forum.

zinfull · 04-29-2011, 06:57 PM

They prefer you direct post the pictures so they will remain for future discussions. The pictures work and some close ups of the rear sights and the crown over M markings will be helpful. I am not an expert but if some one I trusted offer it to me I would buy it as fast as I could.

jerry

Knight Diver · 04-29-2011, 07:01 PM

I hope this is what you mean by posting directly to the forum. The photos are still hosted on Photobucket. All I can see is inserting a link to a photo.

Edit: Removed PB links and put the photos directly into the forum. Starting at post #19. I had to reduce the resolution a bit to be within the attachment size limits of the forum. Please let me know if there is a better way to do this.

Knight Diver · 04-29-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by zinfull

They prefer you direct post the pictures so they will remain for future discussions. The pictures work and some close ups of the rear sights and the crown over M markings will be helpful. I am not an expert but if some one I trusted offer it to me I would buy it as fast as I could.

jerry

All the photos I have are in the photobucket album. Alas, he hasn't offered it, but I have offered to buy it. I'm dealing with the owner's son, with whom I work. Don't really think he's going to sell, but I want to learn about it anyway.

The resolution of the photos is high enough that you can zoom in on the crown/M markings and make them out pretty well.

Edit: Please look at the photos directly uploaded to the forum starting at post #19.

Norme · 04-29-2011, 07:12 PM

Hi Dave, Welcome to the forum. Thanks for posting those pictures of your friends Luger. It is indeed a highly desirable 1917 Navy. While it has some obvious condition issues, it looks like an honest gun. Regards, Norm
P.S. How about a picture of the magazine base?

Knight Diver · 04-29-2011, 07:17 PM

Thanks for the welcome. Can you elaborate on the condition issues? I see the stain on the grip from the snap on the holster. He's obviously kept it in the holster. I'm going to give him a gun case to store it in.

It looks to me, from the photos (which is all I've seen) that the finish is original. Am I right about that?

As for the magazine base, I don't have a photo. But the serial number on the magazine doesn't match. It's close...

Norme · 04-29-2011, 07:29 PM

Hi Dave, The finish looks original to me. The barrel serial numbers show halos, as they should, and the small pin in the top of the left toggle is "in the white", also as it should be. The grips appear to be beech, which was common towards the end of the war, when walnut was in short supply. The issues I was referring to, are the abrasions on the chamber, possibly caused by too aggressive cleaning, and the stained grip that you noted. Does the magazine base have a Crown/M stamp similar to those on the left receiver? Regards, Norm

Knight Diver · 04-29-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme

Does the magazine base have a Crown/M stamp similar to those on the left receiver? Regards, Norm

Hi Norm,

That I don't know. None of the photos shows the base. The only reason I know the serial number on the magazine is that the owner told his son, and he told me.

Thanks for your comments!

What does the "100" mean between the toggle and the rear sight?

Dave

Norme · 04-29-2011, 07:50 PM

Hi Dave, It means 100 meters. When the sight is moved up and back it will be set for 200 meters. Regards, Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 04-29-2011, 10:19 PM

Dave, I agree with Norm, Looks like a legitimate old Sailor. The condition is a little rough. Odd too because the grip straps are what I look at first to determine condition and these are beautiful! The right grip screw looks buggered.
Is the magazine matching?
Have you asked if there is a stock? Probly not but you never know!
Also is the pistol completely matching? You would have to open it up to determine that and see if it has the large toggle pin flange.
If the fellow won't sell it's frustrating.

Neil Young · 04-30-2011, 07:35 AM

Jerry:
I guess that you're settled into your Summer nest.

Neil

Knight Diver · 04-30-2011, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Dave, I agree with Norm, Looks like a legitimate old Sailor. The condition is a little rough. Odd too because the grip straps are what I look at first to determine condition and these are beautiful! The right grip screw looks buggered.
Is the magazine matching?
Have you asked if there is a stock? Probly not but you never know!
Also is the pistol completely matching? You would have to open it up to determine that and see if it has the large toggle pin flange.
If the fellow won't sell it's frustrating.

I did ask about a stock. Alas, no. As for matching, I only know what is in the photos. I haven't put my hands on it and it probably has never been apart by the guy who has it now. There are a few photos that show the serial numbers from the outside. Those parts match. The s/n on the magazine doesn't match.

I've made an offer to buy and I have to wait to see. I don't expect him to sell, but as long as he knows I'm interested, perhaps he will remember me if he does decide later to sell. This is the only gun he has, and, as you can see, he's not really knowledgeable on how to store it.

Can you tell from these photos if the caliber is 9mm? Any idea what a fair price might be?

sheepherder · 04-30-2011, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Knight Diver

I hope this is what you mean by posting directly to the forum. The photos are still hosted on Photobucket. All I can see is inserting a link to a photo.

Here's a Quick & Dirty thread on posting the pics directly to LugerForums. It is quite easy and fairly quick.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=22994

If Ed Tinker were here, he would tell you that your pics are a valuable resource that LugerForums would want to preserve. Navy Lugers are among the rarer variations of Lugers, and good pics (like yours) are invaluable in identifying and describing the marks and identifying features of these pistols.

sheepherder · 04-30-2011, 08:31 AM

Very nice looking Navy Luger...

sheepherder · 04-30-2011, 08:37 AM

Knight Diver -

If you have any additional pics, please add them to the thread. And we would all like to hear the story...

The holster is interesting also. I don't think it is original, but it has very pleasing lines...

drbuster · 04-30-2011, 09:55 AM

Notice the small amount of verdigris on the side plate, possibly from being stored in the holster for some lengthy period.

Knight Diver · 04-30-2011, 10:17 AM

Because of attachment size limitations, I have scaled the resolution down a bit to post these directly to the forum. Hope that is acceptable. I want to preserve these photos where it makes sense. Thanks for being patient with me.

Knight Diver · 04-30-2011, 10:19 AM

These are the last of the photos I have on this gun...for now.

04-29-2011, 07:01 PM	#5
Knight Diver User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 23 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I hope this is what you mean by posting directly to the forum. The photos are still hosted on Photobucket. All I can see is inserting a link to a photo. Edit: Removed PB links and put the photos directly into the forum. Starting at post #19. I had to reduce the resolution a bit to be within the attachment size limits of the forum. Please let me know if there is a better way to do this. Last edited by Knight Diver; 04-30-2011 at 10:36 AM. Reason: corrected photo uploading.

04-29-2011, 07:50 PM	#11
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi Dave, It means 100 meters. When the sight is moved up and back it will be set for 200 meters. Regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

04-29-2011, 10:19 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Dave, I agree with Norm, Looks like a legitimate old Sailor. The condition is a little rough. Odd too because the grip straps are what I look at first to determine condition and these are beautiful! The right grip screw looks buggered. Is the magazine matching? Have you asked if there is a stock? Probly not but you never know! Also is the pistol completely matching? You would have to open it up to determine that and see if it has the large toggle pin flange. If the fellow won't sell it's frustrating. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-30-2011, 07:35 AM	#13
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04-30-2011, 08:31 AM	#16
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	Very nice looking Navy Luger... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

04-29-2011, 06:32 PM	#1
Knight Diver User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 23 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New here with questions Obviously, with my number of posts here, I'm new on this forum. I am also very ignorant about Lugers. However I really like Lugers and want to learn more. I've read almost all the threads in this Navy forum, trying to learn. A friend's father has this gun. All I have are these photos that he has taken, but I think it is a Navy. Can you all take a look at them and give me an opinion. The story that goes with this gun, if true, makes it pretty interesting. But I'd like some opinions first to see if the story can be true. Thanks.

04-29-2011, 06:57 PM	#4
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 240 Thanks: 4 Thanked 32 Times in 15 Posts	They prefer you direct post the pictures so they will remain for future discussions. The pictures work and some close ups of the rear sights and the crown over M markings will be helpful. I am not an expert but if some one I trusted offer it to me I would buy it as fast as I could. jerry

04-29-2011, 07:12 PM	#7
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi Dave, Welcome to the forum. Thanks for posting those pictures of your friends Luger. It is indeed a highly desirable 1917 Navy. While it has some obvious condition issues, it looks like an honest gun. Regards, Norm P.S. How about a picture of the magazine base?

04-29-2011, 07:17 PM	#8
Knight Diver User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 23 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the welcome. Can you elaborate on the condition issues? I see the stain on the grip from the snap on the holster. He's obviously kept it in the holster. I'm going to give him a gun case to store it in. It looks to me, from the photos (which is all I've seen) that the finish is original. Am I right about that? As for the magazine base, I don't have a photo. But the serial number on the magazine doesn't match. It's close...

04-29-2011, 07:29 PM	#9
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi Dave, The finish looks original to me. The barrel serial numbers show halos, as they should, and the small pin in the top of the left toggle is "in the white", also as it should be. The grips appear to be beech, which was common towards the end of the war, when walnut was in short supply. The issues I was referring to, are the abrasions on the chamber, possibly caused by too aggressive cleaning, and the stained grip that you noted. Does the magazine base have a Crown/M stamp similar to those on the left receiver? Regards, Norm

04-30-2011, 08:37 AM	#17
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	Knight Diver - If you have any additional pics, please add them to the thread. And we would all like to hear the story... The holster is interesting also. I don't think it is original, but it has very pleasing lines... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

04-30-2011, 09:55 AM	#18
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Notice the small amount of verdigris on the side plate, possibly from being stored in the holster for some lengthy period.

04-30-2011, 10:17 AM	#19
Knight Diver User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 23 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Photos in the forum Because of attachment size limitations, I have scaled the resolution down a bit to post these directly to the forum. Hope that is acceptable. I want to preserve these photos where it makes sense. Thanks for being patient with me. Attached Thumbnails

04-30-2011, 10:19 AM	#20
Knight Diver User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 23 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Additional photos These are the last of the photos I have on this gun...for now. Attached Thumbnails