Luger Swiss .. all the Euros?

coto129 · 06-09-2010, 04:52 PM

Hello to all ... I would like to know the opinion of the experts about the Swiss luger..
The vendecor sells her with everything, loader of supply, box, rod of cleanliness ... etc.
He asks for her for 18500 Euros ........ that looks like to them the price?

drbuster · 06-10-2010, 11:56 AM

A nice early 1900 commercial! Would be nice to be able to trace any provenence to former owners that would justify the high end price. I would expect the luger to be in better condition, but overall an interesting "rig". Is there any marking on the top of the box?

Norme · 06-10-2010, 12:18 PM

Hola Antonio, I'm not a Swiss Luger specialist like some others on this forum, but I know enough to say that $22,000.00 plus, is way to much for this rig, "rod of cleanliness" notwithstanding. Best regards, Norm

Ron Smith · 06-10-2010, 12:48 PM

Antonio,

I agree with Norm, very expensive. Demasiado dinero!

Ron

fausto · 06-10-2010, 05:07 PM

Hello!
I just would add that - looking at the pictures - I would swear that the extractor is not the original one, but a Swiss replacement, more strong than the DWM one, blackened and not straw colour. Nothing so important: many Swiss M1900 Parabellums have this replaced, but this surely doesn't add value... And considering the price asked...
Fausto

Vlim · 06-11-2010, 01:38 PM

Looks like another hair dryer box as well

Dwight Gruber · 06-11-2010, 01:58 PM

This is an old-model Commercial, not a Swiss--see the third photo.

--Dwight

Florey55 · 06-18-2010, 10:46 PM

It's actually in quite poor condition - and the asking price is a cross between delusion and fantasy.

Take off 1 zero for it's true worth.....

Ron Wood · 06-19-2010, 01:31 AM

The condition really isn't that bad, so I do not think that reducing the value by a factor of 10 (take off one zero) is realistic. I also do not think the extractor is of the later "reinforced" Swiss type. As "drbuster" observed, this is not a Swiss gun, but an early Commercial as confirmed by Dwight Gruber. The "dryer box" notwithstanding, it is a decent early gun in what appears to be original condition that is worth at most around 30-40% of the asking price, i.e. $7000 or a bit less. I bought a similar condition 1900 Commercial in the same serial number range, without all of the neat extra goodies, for $3000.

Florey55 · 06-19-2010, 05:20 AM

This one is for sale in Switzerland at the moment @ $USD5400 - from a very expensive dealer. The serial number is in the 34xx range - very close.

It's condition is far superior to the other one.

http://www.kueng-waffen.ch/web02/fau...5-2558_IMG.JPG

SIGP2101 · 06-21-2010, 03:40 PM

I am not an expert on Lugers but can someone explain to me why the difference between fonts on serial number stamped on frame, and one stamped on barrel?

Ron Wood · 06-21-2010, 05:59 PM

I think the fonts are the same, the "foot" on the "1" is just hard to see in the photo. Blow the image up 200-300% and you can see it.

SIGP2101 · 12-23-2010, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

I think the fonts are the same, the "foot" on the "1" is just hard to see in the photo. Blow the image up 200-300% and you can see it.

Still can't see it.
Sixth image from top. It doesn’t mater how much I enlarge it still can’t see that foot on #1 upper is Verdana lover is Arial Like 1 vs. 1

pitsword · 12-23-2010, 04:16 PM

Very good spot. Thank you.

06-10-2010, 12:48 PM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Antonio, I agree with Norm, very expensive. Demasiado dinero! Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-19-2010, 01:31 AM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	The condition really isn't that bad, so I do not think that reducing the value by a factor of 10 (take off one zero) is realistic. I also do not think the extractor is of the later "reinforced" Swiss type. As "drbuster" observed, this is not a Swiss gun, but an early Commercial as confirmed by Dwight Gruber. The "dryer box" notwithstanding, it is a decent early gun in what appears to be original condition that is worth at most around 30-40% of the asking price, i.e. $7000 or a bit less. I bought a similar condition 1900 Commercial in the same serial number range, without all of the neat extra goodies, for $3000. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-21-2010, 05:59 PM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	I think the fonts are the same, the "foot" on the "1" is just hard to see in the photo. Blow the image up 200-300% and you can see it. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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06-09-2010, 04:52 PM	#1
coto129 User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Sevilla (ESPAÑA) Posts: 82 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger Swiss .. all the Euros? Hello to all ... I would like to know the opinion of the experts about the Swiss luger.. The vendecor sells her with everything, loader of supply, box, rod of cleanliness ... etc. He asks for her for 18500 Euros ........ that looks like to them the price? Attached Thumbnails __________________ THERE IS NO IN THE WORLD LAND, WHICH DOES NOT HAVE SPANISH TOMB

06-10-2010, 11:56 AM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	A nice early 1900 commercial! Would be nice to be able to trace any provenence to former owners that would justify the high end price. I would expect the luger to be in better condition, but overall an interesting "rig". Is there any marking on the top of the box?

06-10-2010, 12:18 PM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hola Antonio, I'm not a Swiss Luger specialist like some others on this forum, but I know enough to say that $22,000.00 plus, is way to much for this rig, "rod of cleanliness" notwithstanding. Best regards, Norm

06-10-2010, 05:07 PM	#5
fausto User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello! I just would add that - looking at the pictures - I would swear that the extractor is not the original one, but a Swiss replacement, more strong than the DWM one, blackened and not straw colour. Nothing so important: many Swiss M1900 Parabellums have this replaced, but this surely doesn't add value... And considering the price asked... Fausto

06-11-2010, 01:38 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,866 Times in 1,184 Posts	Looks like another hair dryer box as well

06-11-2010, 01:58 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	This is an old-model Commercial, not a Swiss--see the third photo. --Dwight

06-18-2010, 10:46 PM	#8
Florey55 New User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's actually in quite poor condition - and the asking price is a cross between delusion and fantasy. Take off 1 zero for it's true worth.....

06-19-2010, 05:20 AM	#10
Florey55 New User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This one is for sale in Switzerland at the moment @ $USD5400 - from a very expensive dealer. The serial number is in the 34xx range - very close. It's condition is far superior to the other one. http://www.kueng-waffen.ch/web02/fau...5-2558_IMG.JPG

06-21-2010, 03:40 PM	#11
SIGP2101 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 256 Thanks: 74 Thanked 67 Times in 32 Posts	I am not an expert on Lugers but can someone explain to me why the difference between fonts on serial number stamped on frame, and one stamped on barrel?

12-23-2010, 04:16 PM	#14
pitsword User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 454 Thanks: 3,878 Thanked 101 Times in 81 Posts	Very good spot. Thank you.