1936 Matching Luger

Ben Evans · 10-09-2013, 09:05 AM

Chaps, this is for sale on the WAF forum. I think it is a really nice set, two matching mags, same dated holster. Anyone any comments on it? Its not cheap though!

Cheers

Ben

Gebirg · 10-09-2013, 11:54 AM

Ben,
Seems ok to me, wery nice - go for it!

Ben Evans · 10-09-2013, 12:33 PM

Many thanks, I will barter the price for it and see if I can buy it

Cheers

Ben

kpf · 10-09-2013, 12:40 PM

That is a wery nice set, good luck!!

Regards

Kai

Norway

pors12 · 10-09-2013, 01:47 PM

Hi,

Is this gun still working ?

regard

Otto

Ben Evans · 10-09-2013, 01:51 PM

No Otto, its a deac, we are not allowed live pistols in the UK

pors12 · 10-09-2013, 02:11 PM

Ok, but it had been a really nice gun.
The holster is a nice one.

I have a Böker from 1939 and one from 1940.

regards

ChannelIsles · 10-09-2013, 02:23 PM

If I was in the UK - I'd be all over that Luger & Holster - Beautiful matched rig - You'd not be able to easily upgrade - I hope you get it. Brendan

rhuff · 10-09-2013, 03:59 PM

It looks to be excellent from the photos. It just makes me sad to know it is a deact......but that is how it has to be there. There were a number of DEWAT submachine guns in the USA many, many years ago, that when the amnesty came about, they got registered, and made functional again. Those guns are worth a "ton" now.

Douglas Jr. · 10-10-2013, 09:02 AM

Looks like a nice rig. If you're looking for a III Reich Luger, this is the one.

alanint · 10-10-2013, 09:08 AM

I know this is stirring the pot, but I'm not sure I would deactivate a live Luger if I found one just to be able to own it. I'd leave that one alone and find an already deactivated example.

Whether illegal or not, I'm not sure I could take an old vet's live bringback and have it ruined. The law might change some day.

gunbugs · 10-10-2013, 06:02 PM

I think you can see in one of the photos taken from the front, where there is a hole drilled up from the bottom through the receiver into the chamber. The hole shows as a notch in the bottom front edge of the receiver. Sad....

Sergio Natali · 10-11-2013, 03:22 PM

Just the words "deactivate a Luger" gives me the creeps, especially a nice one like that!

Douglas Jr. · 10-14-2013, 09:31 AM

Ben must to dance according to the music.
This is how that laws are on his country. Not everybody can do what Mr. Sturgess made years ago to save his collection, by moving to Switzerland.

I know the bad feeling of seeing a deact collectable gun, but it's not right to say to do something that is against the law. I doubt that anyone in US, in their full sanity, let's say, would risk to own a unregistered full auto MG42 or a Thompson SMG just because they do not agree to have a deact.

Greetings,
Douglas.

DavidJayUden · 10-14-2013, 10:30 AM

Unfortunately, Douglas, there are quite a number of live war trophy full autos around the
U. S. They can no longer be legally registered and the only legal recourse is to give them to a museum, cut them up, or surrender them to the ATF. So folks just choose to keep them covered up. It really is a shameful situation.
Regarding deactivating a Luger for ownership in Great Britian, it happens every day. We just don't see the before photos.
Look at the bright side. The next time Gerry comes to visit, we can loan the Brit's our "real" firearms with which to defend herself. Again.
dju

alanint · 10-14-2013, 10:53 AM

Just for clarification, I clearly stated I would move on and NOT own a live bring back if I came across it. I would not be the one to ruin it just to posses it. I'm not proposing anything illegal, I'm just saying I'd pass on anything I had to ruin myself in order to own.

As far as live, unregistered MGs in the US, as Daveid pointed out, there are hundreds, if not thoussands still sitting in our Veteran's attics. The ATF has been promising for over 15 years to establish an amnesty window for these guns, but have not had the political cojones to actually implement it. The sad reality is that all of these vets who beld to posses these war trophies are currently in violation of this stupid law.

DavidJayUden · 10-14-2013, 12:07 PM

After WW1 many of the purchasers of US Savings Bonds received a dewat Maxim gun in appreciation for their investments. Now lots of those guns still exist but no one know that they had to be registered years later. So they are now unregistered and illegal, making criminals of otherwise law-abiding citizens.
I have come across, or heard of, at least a dozen over the recent years. They are all really neat and I'd love to have them, but none are worth touching...
dju

alanint · 10-14-2013, 01:33 PM

It is possible, in this particular case, to rewat one of those guns, if all documentation is present.
In the past, ATF has been known to accept the paperwork from programs like this as an original "registration" of the gun. I once rewatted a beautiful 1918 Winchester BAR by using a Dept. of the Treasury document aknowledgement that the gun had been dewatted. With this document in hand, I showed that the gun was a "Registered Dewat", which can legally be "rewatted", which was duly done and then transferred on a Form 3.

DavidJayUden · 10-14-2013, 02:19 PM

A:
Try it without that orig. Dept. Of The Treasury (formerly the handlers of the ATF) document. No previous registration, no nothing. If they are registered, then RE-watting is no problem, and usually quite easily accomplished.
dju

alanint · 10-14-2013, 02:41 PM

Not just a Dept. of the Treasury document. I've seen capture papers/ Unit officer authorization chits used to successfully register weapons in the past. It all depends on the particular circumstances and the paperwork available.

10-09-2013, 09:05 AM	#1
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	1936 Matching Luger Chaps, this is for sale on the WAF forum. I think it is a really nice set, two matching mags, same dated holster. Anyone any comments on it? Its not cheap though! Cheers Ben Last edited by Ben Evans; 11-19-2013 at 06:04 AM.

10-09-2013, 11:54 AM	#2
Gebirg User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Telemark Posts: 94 Thanks: 68 Thanked 158 Times in 34 Posts	Ben, Seems ok to me, wery nice - go for it! __________________ Mr. AKB - Norway "SILENT LEGES INTER ARMA" Denn unter den Waffen schweigen die Gesetze (M.T.Cicero)

10-09-2013, 02:23 PM	#8
ChannelIsles User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jersey Channel Islands Posts: 156 Thanks: 8 Thanked 33 Times in 16 Posts	1936 s/42 If I was in the UK - I'd be all over that Luger & Holster - Beautiful matched rig - You'd not be able to easily upgrade - I hope you get it. Brendan

10-11-2013, 03:22 PM	#13
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Just the words "deactivate a Luger" gives me the creeps, especially a nice one like that! __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

10-09-2013, 12:33 PM	#3
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	Many thanks, I will barter the price for it and see if I can buy it Cheers Ben

10-09-2013, 12:40 PM	#4
kpf User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Finnøy, Norway Posts: 75 Thanks: 78 Thanked 36 Times in 10 Posts	That is a wery nice set, good luck!! Regards Kai Norway

10-09-2013, 01:47 PM	#5
pors12 User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Austria Posts: 115 Thanks: 24 Thanked 59 Times in 21 Posts	Hi, Is this gun still working ? regard Otto

10-09-2013, 01:51 PM	#6
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	No Otto, its a deac, we are not allowed live pistols in the UK

10-09-2013, 02:11 PM	#7
pors12 User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Austria Posts: 115 Thanks: 24 Thanked 59 Times in 21 Posts	Ok, but it had been a really nice gun. The holster is a nice one. I have a Böker from 1939 and one from 1940. regards

10-09-2013, 03:59 PM	#9
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 2,686 Thanked 958 Times in 704 Posts	It looks to be excellent from the photos. It just makes me sad to know it is a deact......but that is how it has to be there. There were a number of DEWAT submachine guns in the USA many, many years ago, that when the amnesty came about, they got registered, and made functional again. Those guns are worth a "ton" now.

10-10-2013, 09:02 AM	#10
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Looks like a nice rig. If you're looking for a III Reich Luger, this is the one.

10-10-2013, 09:08 AM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I know this is stirring the pot, but I'm not sure I would deactivate a live Luger if I found one just to be able to own it. I'd leave that one alone and find an already deactivated example. Whether illegal or not, I'm not sure I could take an old vet's live bringback and have it ruined. The law might change some day.

10-10-2013, 06:02 PM	#12
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 636 Thanks: 335 Thanked 1,141 Times in 379 Posts	I think you can see in one of the photos taken from the front, where there is a hole drilled up from the bottom through the receiver into the chamber. The hole shows as a notch in the bottom front edge of the receiver. Sad....

10-14-2013, 09:31 AM	#14
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Ben must to dance according to the music. This is how that laws are on his country. Not everybody can do what Mr. Sturgess made years ago to save his collection, by moving to Switzerland. I know the bad feeling of seeing a deact collectable gun, but it's not right to say to do something that is against the law. I doubt that anyone in US, in their full sanity, let's say, would risk to own a unregistered full auto MG42 or a Thompson SMG just because they do not agree to have a deact. Greetings, Douglas.

10-14-2013, 10:30 AM	#15
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Unfortunately, Douglas, there are quite a number of live war trophy full autos around the U. S. They can no longer be legally registered and the only legal recourse is to give them to a museum, cut them up, or surrender them to the ATF. So folks just choose to keep them covered up. It really is a shameful situation. Regarding deactivating a Luger for ownership in Great Britian, it happens every day. We just don't see the before photos. Look at the bright side. The next time Gerry comes to visit, we can loan the Brit's our "real" firearms with which to defend herself. Again. dju

10-14-2013, 10:53 AM	#16
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Just for clarification, I clearly stated I would move on and NOT own a live bring back if I came across it. I would not be the one to ruin it just to posses it. I'm not proposing anything illegal, I'm just saying I'd pass on anything I had to ruin myself in order to own. As far as live, unregistered MGs in the US, as Daveid pointed out, there are hundreds, if not thoussands still sitting in our Veteran's attics. The ATF has been promising for over 15 years to establish an amnesty window for these guns, but have not had the political cojones to actually implement it. The sad reality is that all of these vets who beld to posses these war trophies are currently in violation of this stupid law.

10-14-2013, 12:07 PM	#17
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	After WW1 many of the purchasers of US Savings Bonds received a dewat Maxim gun in appreciation for their investments. Now lots of those guns still exist but no one know that they had to be registered years later. So they are now unregistered and illegal, making criminals of otherwise law-abiding citizens. I have come across, or heard of, at least a dozen over the recent years. They are all really neat and I'd love to have them, but none are worth touching... dju

10-14-2013, 01:33 PM	#18
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	It is possible, in this particular case, to rewat one of those guns, if all documentation is present. In the past, ATF has been known to accept the paperwork from programs like this as an original "registration" of the gun. I once rewatted a beautiful 1918 Winchester BAR by using a Dept. of the Treasury document aknowledgement that the gun had been dewatted. With this document in hand, I showed that the gun was a "Registered Dewat", which can legally be "rewatted", which was duly done and then transferred on a Form 3.

10-14-2013, 02:19 PM	#19
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	A: Try it without that orig. Dept. Of The Treasury (formerly the handlers of the ATF) document. No previous registration, no nothing. If they are registered, then RE-watting is no problem, and usually quite easily accomplished. dju

10-14-2013, 02:41 PM	#20
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Not just a Dept. of the Treasury document. I've seen capture papers/ Unit officer authorization chits used to successfully register weapons in the past. It all depends on the particular circumstances and the paperwork available.