Another "rare" Artillery Luger on Gunbroker

3598 · 01-01-2013, 01:49 AM

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=324458640

I like his close-up pictures and a no return policy.

Neil Young · 01-01-2013, 07:07 AM

$22,000? Heck, I've got a 1916 version that I would let go for only $18,000. That's a special deal.

sheepherder · 01-01-2013, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3598

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=324458640

I like his close-up pictures and a no return policy.

And -

Shipping Ground: $100.00

Requires FFL? No

Shipping seems excessive...I received a Corvette 4-speed transmission that only cost $78 shipping...

No FFL??? I guess he's presenting it as a rifle, not a pistol...

drbuster · 01-01-2013, 12:35 PM

This seller's other auctions indicate this is the first Luger he's listed. Obviously mis-informed as to what it is. Also it looks refinished to my eye. I think the market will prove to him its value!

Edward Tinker · 01-01-2013, 01:19 PM

still need a FFL for a rifle or shotgun through the mail, ground whatever.

Only in your state (and some states at that) can you get a rifle or shotgun on-line

Arizona Slim · 01-01-2013, 06:00 PM

I would have to agree with drbuster wholeheartedly, it appears to be refinished to me also. Too bad.
Lon

sheepherder · 01-01-2013, 08:01 PM

It is interesting that it appears to have a genuine artillery rear sight and rear sight base anchor (the 'band' around the barrel that the sight base is dovetailed into) and no toggle rear sight...

(I had to lighten it quite a bit to even see the barrel)

The length and taper of the barrel is impressive...I wonder who made it?

sheepherder · 01-02-2013, 09:17 AM

OK, forget the asking price...he's a dreamer...

Let's assume that this "Luger" is functional...Everything works like it should...

Now let's try to actually shoot it...We'd need a pretty good load...A 'whopper'...Just to move all that steel hanging in the wind out there...

Or...Maybe all that steel wouldn't move, relatively...Maybe we'd feel the grip frame traveling forward, instead of the barrel traveling backward...

Now, how would you hold it? Stocked or not, you'd need to support that mass of steel to hold it anywhere on your target...Do you hold the barrel itself with your off hand??? A Luger carbine has a fore-end fastened to the grip frame...Your off hand doesn't move in relation to your trigger hand...With this gun, your two hands would be in motion to each other...Kind of a 'pumping' motion...That can't contribute to accuracy...

I wonder if a Wal-Mart White Box load would even exit the barrel...Gotta be a lot of friction in that length...Maybe it would just make a 'bloop' noise and fall out on the ground...

...Fascinating...

(Attaching the images because...well, we gotta save this!)

Edit: I asked seller a question...

"Hello! I think GunBroker put one too many zeroes in the price...But could you state what caliber it is???...A close-up shot of the front sight would be appreciated as well...Thank You!"

I think a full-length Schnabel fore-end (with extended fore-end brace) and a true carbine stock would look really nice on this "Luger"...Fore-end all the way to the front sight band...Some modest checkering on butt-grip & fore-end...Ditch that POS board stock...

sheepherder · 01-02-2013, 03:12 PM

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Like this one, but with the 16" barrel & Schnabel forestock...

George Anderson · 01-02-2013, 03:31 PM

I had one just like this with 16 inch barrel for several years and shot it with no problems using 115 grain commercial ammo. This modification was marketed by Pacific Arms and others during the twenties. One could either buy the barrel, etc. or send them the pistol to be "enhanced"

sheepherder · 01-02-2013, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Anderson

I had one just like this with 16 inch barrel for several years and shot it with no problems using 115 grain commercial ammo.

How did you shoot it, George?...Hold it with the barrel in your off hand??? Lay the barrel over your forearm??? Shoot off a rest???

George Anderson · 01-02-2013, 05:40 PM

I shot it with stock attached and wrapped my left hand around my right to steady it. My recollection is that we had quite a problem coming up with an accurate point of aim at fifty yards.

CAP Black · 01-02-2013, 11:00 PM

I fired my 16 inch carbine with fiocchi (a little extra zip) and it shot well and recycled just fine.
Jack

ithacaartist · 01-03-2013, 11:54 AM

Also, I think the board stock is for a Navy--didn't those have medallions fastened to them?

Ben M. · 01-06-2013, 10:36 AM

walking cane or fire poker. your choice.

01-01-2013, 01:49 AM	#1
3598 User Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 14 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Another "rare" Artillery Luger on Gunbroker http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=324458640 I like his close-up pictures and a no return policy.

01-01-2013, 07:07 AM	#2
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 540 Thanks: 546 Thanked 438 Times in 165 Posts	$22,000? Heck, I've got a 1916 version that I would let go for only $18,000. That's a special deal. __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

01-01-2013, 08:01 PM	#7
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	It is interesting that it appears to have a genuine artillery rear sight and rear sight base anchor (the 'band' around the barrel that the sight base is dovetailed into) and no toggle rear sight... (I had to lighten it quite a bit to even see the barrel) The length and taper of the barrel is impressive...I wonder who made it? Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter... Last edited by sheepherder; 01-02-2013 at 09:50 AM.

01-02-2013, 09:17 AM	#8
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	OK, forget the asking price...he's a dreamer... Let's assume that this "Luger" is functional...Everything works like it should... Now let's try to actually shoot it...We'd need a pretty good load...A 'whopper'...Just to move all that steel hanging in the wind out there... Or...Maybe all that steel wouldn't move, relatively...Maybe we'd feel the grip frame traveling forward, instead of the barrel traveling backward... Now, how would you hold it? Stocked or not, you'd need to support that mass of steel to hold it anywhere on your target...Do you hold the barrel itself with your off hand??? A Luger carbine has a fore-end fastened to the grip frame...Your off hand doesn't move in relation to your trigger hand...With this gun, your two hands would be in motion to each other...Kind of a 'pumping' motion...That can't contribute to accuracy... I wonder if a Wal-Mart White Box load would even exit the barrel...Gotta be a lot of friction in that length...Maybe it would just make a 'bloop' noise and fall out on the ground... ...Fascinating... (Attaching the images because...well, we gotta save this!) Edit: I asked seller a question... "Hello! I think GunBroker put one too many zeroes in the price...But could you state what caliber it is???...A close-up shot of the front sight would be appreciated as well...Thank You!" I think a full-length Schnabel fore-end (with extended fore-end brace) and a true carbine stock would look really nice on this "Luger"...Fore-end all the way to the front sight band...Some modest checkering on butt-grip & fore-end...Ditch that POS board stock... Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

01-02-2013, 03:12 PM	#9
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	[continued] Like this one, but with the 16" barrel & Schnabel forestock... Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

01-01-2013, 12:35 PM	#4
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	This seller's other auctions indicate this is the first Luger he's listed. Obviously mis-informed as to what it is. Also it looks refinished to my eye. I think the market will prove to him its value!

01-01-2013, 01:19 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	still need a FFL for a rifle or shotgun through the mail, ground whatever. Only in your state (and some states at that) can you get a rifle or shotgun on-line

01-01-2013, 06:00 PM	#6
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	I would have to agree with drbuster wholeheartedly, it appears to be refinished to me also. Too bad. Lon

01-02-2013, 03:31 PM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I had one just like this with 16 inch barrel for several years and shot it with no problems using 115 grain commercial ammo. This modification was marketed by Pacific Arms and others during the twenties. One could either buy the barrel, etc. or send them the pistol to be "enhanced"

01-02-2013, 05:40 PM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I shot it with stock attached and wrapped my left hand around my right to steady it. My recollection is that we had quite a problem coming up with an accurate point of aim at fifty yards.

01-02-2013, 11:00 PM	#13
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	I fired my 16 inch carbine with fiocchi (a little extra zip) and it shot well and recycled just fine. Jack

01-03-2013, 11:54 AM	#14
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,282 Thanks: 7,007 Thanked 2,476 Times in 1,319 Posts	Also, I think the board stock is for a Navy--didn't those have medallions fastened to them? __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

01-06-2013, 10:36 AM	#15
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 474 Thanks: 82 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	walking cane or fire poker. your choice.