DWM 1918 Artillery Luger

Ricci1165 · 06-12-2017, 09:15 AM

Hello folks. Thank you very much for approving my registration.
I've been collecting milsurps for a long time, but have never collected Lugers. I have the opportunity to purchase a DWM 1918 all matching, 80-85% original finish, slight bore frosting Artillery Luger with two original holsters for $1850.00 OTD. The original mag wooden base' number is no longer legible, so I don't know if it's matching to the pistol or not. Is this a decent/acceptable price for this package? No wooden stock, no bore rod or tool.
Just pistol and two holsters. I appreciate your assistance here and thank you again. It's a pleasure top learn from the experts.
Best regards, Thomas

DonVoigt · 06-12-2017, 09:38 AM

Without pictures of all, I can only say it sounds like a good deal if truly original and matching!

If you can mention the year date, mfg., serial number, markings on holsters, and other info it would help; but pictures tell the tale.

Ricci1165 · 06-12-2017, 09:42 AM

Thank you very much sir. The manufacture is DWM, year produced is 1918, serial number is 2294. Trying to upload pics but having difficulty.

Ricci1165 · 06-12-2017, 10:00 AM

Hopefully the pic uploaded. If not I apologize

ithacaartist · 06-12-2017, 10:57 AM

Welcome to the forum Tommy,

This pic is a start... For the gun, close-ups of proofs, full view of each side, top, bottom, rear, front of frame. For example, the chances of a cursive letter suffix, which would be part of the complete serial number and found along with the 4 numbers stamped on the nose of the grip frame under the bbl, are 26 to 1. The rear sight assembly should also have 2-digit numbers in several places. We'd need to see all this sort of stuff, plus enough other close-ups for a cursory assessment of its finish.

Same with the holsters--inside, outside in most orientations, and close-ups of maker's marks, which can sometimes be faint.

The mag is incorrect for a WWI Artillery, but is collectible in its own right. So, you guessed it--pics!

The military holster on the left has some damage, but likely original (at this point). The commercial holster looks interesting, although wrinkly flap.

Pics are best taken outside in the shade or on a cloudy day. Make sure they're in focus, and if a tripod and self timer are used, no blurring from camera motion when taking the shots. Crp shots "in the camera" so you don't wind up with a lot of digital trimming later, which wastes resolution.

Ricci1165 · 06-12-2017, 11:09 AM

Thank you ithacaartist for the valuable information. Unfortunately, I won't have that opportunity from the owner to take those pics specifically. I have confirmed it is in fact all matching and came by way of a deceased older gentleman who collected various small arms over the last 50 years. If I purchase for the price of $1850.00 OTD I can gladly take those pics you ask sir. I just want to verify the price is acceptable based on what I've provided. Thank you again.

George Anderson · 06-12-2017, 11:12 AM

It's a good price for an all matching 1918 LP08.

DonVoigt · 06-12-2017, 12:20 PM

Yes,
I'd buy it for that in a heart beat!

ithacaartist · 06-12-2017, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Anderson

It's a good price for an all matching 1918 LP08.

Yes, +1 on that, particularly since we know more details of its available provenance. A rule of thumb proposed by one of the Mighty Moderators here (You know who you are, Ed.) is that any functional Arty is worth at least $1k. This is all matching, and with the 2 holsters and the pricey mag, you won't go wrong at that price!

RichSr · 06-12-2017, 04:25 PM

There is an 11 to 1 chance of a serial number suffix as the 1918 LP08 only went to the J suffix. Did I miss something on the magazine? Description and pic seems to indicate a nickel body and "worn" wood bottom, correct for a WWI P08 (LP08) and not rare or unusual. Regardless if as described you can't go wrong at that price.

Ricci1165 · 06-12-2017, 08:14 PM

Thank you RichSr for your info. Does the serial number suffix make it more valuable?

Eugen · 06-13-2017, 08:21 AM

Ricci1165, welcome to the forum. Jump on that rig; don't let it get away! You've got a good deal on a nice artillery.

Take a few minutes to read the FAQ section as it contains a wealth of basic Luger info that will rapidly increase your knowledge.

Ricci1165 · 06-13-2017, 09:16 AM

Thank you Eugen! I'm going today after work to get it. I'll post more detailed pics and specifics when obtained. Thank you all for the advise not to let this one pass!

ithacaartist · 06-13-2017, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichSr

There is an 11 to 1 chance of a serial number suffix as the 1918 LP08 only went to the J suffix. Did I miss something on the magazine? Description and pic seems to indicate a nickel body and "worn" wood bottom, correct for a WWI P08 (LP08) and not rare or unusual. Regardless if as described you can't go wrong at that price.

I wondered if the sequence of serialization would screw up my estimation of the odds like that!

Sorry about my comment on the mag. I didn't look closely enough at it to avoid imagining I was seeing a rivet holding the bottom on, or completely missing its obvious retaining pin thru the body in the bargain. (Maybe it's my glasses...) Still a heck of a deal, nonetheless!

Ricci1165 · 06-13-2017, 06:38 PM

Ok fellas.....here she is! How'd I do?

Ricci1165 · 06-13-2017, 06:42 PM

Test

Ricci1165 · 06-13-2017, 06:44 PM

More to come

Ricci1165 · 06-13-2017, 06:46 PM

06-12-2017, 09:15 AM	#1
Ricci1165 User Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Central Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 28 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	DWM 1918 Artillery Luger Hello folks. Thank you very much for approving my registration. I've been collecting milsurps for a long time, but have never collected Lugers. I have the opportunity to purchase a DWM 1918 all matching, 80-85% original finish, slight bore frosting Artillery Luger with two original holsters for $1850.00 OTD. The original mag wooden base' number is no longer legible, so I don't know if it's matching to the pistol or not. Is this a decent/acceptable price for this package? No wooden stock, no bore rod or tool. Just pistol and two holsters. I appreciate your assistance here and thank you again. It's a pleasure top learn from the experts. Best regards, Thomas

06-12-2017, 09:38 AM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Without pictures of all, I can only say it sounds like a good deal if truly original and matching! If you can mention the year date, mfg., serial number, markings on holsters, and other info it would help; but pictures tell the tale. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

06-12-2017, 10:00 AM	#4
Ricci1165 User Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Central Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 28 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	1918 DWM Artillery Luger Hopefully the pic uploaded. If not I apologize Attached Thumbnails

06-12-2017, 10:57 AM	#5
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,282 Thanks: 7,007 Thanked 2,476 Times in 1,319 Posts	Welcome to the forum Tommy, This pic is a start... For the gun, close-ups of proofs, full view of each side, top, bottom, rear, front of frame. For example, the chances of a cursive letter suffix, which would be part of the complete serial number and found along with the 4 numbers stamped on the nose of the grip frame under the bbl, are 26 to 1. The rear sight assembly should also have 2-digit numbers in several places. We'd need to see all this sort of stuff, plus enough other close-ups for a cursory assessment of its finish. Same with the holsters--inside, outside in most orientations, and close-ups of maker's marks, which can sometimes be faint. The mag is incorrect for a WWI Artillery, but is collectible in its own right. So, you guessed it--pics! The military holster on the left has some damage, but likely original (at this point). The commercial holster looks interesting, although wrinkly flap. Pics are best taken outside in the shade or on a cloudy day. Make sure they're in focus, and if a tripod and self timer are used, no blurring from camera motion when taking the shots. Crp shots "in the camera" so you don't wind up with a lot of digital trimming later, which wastes resolution. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

06-12-2017, 12:20 PM	#8
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Yes, I'd buy it for that in a heart beat! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

06-12-2017, 09:42 AM	#3
Ricci1165 User Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Central Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 28 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Thank you very much sir. The manufacture is DWM, year produced is 1918, serial number is 2294. Trying to upload pics but having difficulty.

06-12-2017, 11:09 AM	#6
Ricci1165 User Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Central Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 28 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Thank you ithacaartist for the valuable information. Unfortunately, I won't have that opportunity from the owner to take those pics specifically. I have confirmed it is in fact all matching and came by way of a deceased older gentleman who collected various small arms over the last 50 years. If I purchase for the price of $1850.00 OTD I can gladly take those pics you ask sir. I just want to verify the price is acceptable based on what I've provided. Thank you again.

06-12-2017, 11:12 AM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	It's a good price for an all matching 1918 LP08.

06-12-2017, 04:25 PM	#10
RichSr User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Texas Posts: 127 Thanks: 153 Thanked 51 Times in 35 Posts	There is an 11 to 1 chance of a serial number suffix as the 1918 LP08 only went to the J suffix. Did I miss something on the magazine? Description and pic seems to indicate a nickel body and "worn" wood bottom, correct for a WWI P08 (LP08) and not rare or unusual. Regardless if as described you can't go wrong at that price. __________________ Rich

06-12-2017, 08:14 PM	#11
Ricci1165 User Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Central Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 28 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Thank you RichSr for your info. Does the serial number suffix make it more valuable?

06-13-2017, 08:21 AM	#12
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 757 Thanks: 366 Thanked 594 Times in 313 Posts	Ricci1165, welcome to the forum. Jump on that rig; don't let it get away! You've got a good deal on a nice artillery. Take a few minutes to read the FAQ section as it contains a wealth of basic Luger info that will rapidly increase your knowledge. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

06-13-2017, 09:16 AM	#13
Ricci1165 User Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Central Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 28 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Thank you Eugen! I'm going today after work to get it. I'll post more detailed pics and specifics when obtained. Thank you all for the advise not to let this one pass!

06-13-2017, 06:38 PM	#15
Ricci1165 User Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Central Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 28 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Drum roll please..... Ok fellas.....here she is! How'd I do?

06-13-2017, 06:42 PM	#16
Ricci1165 User Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Central Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 28 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Trying to post pics..... Test Attached Thumbnails

06-13-2017, 06:44 PM	#17
Ricci1165 User Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Central Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 28 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Pics More to come Attached Thumbnails

06-13-2017, 06:46 PM	#18
Ricci1165 User Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Central Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 28 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	All matching More on the way Attached Thumbnails

06-13-2017, 06:47 PM	#19
Ricci1165 User Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Central Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 28 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Lets try two Hope it worked Attached Thumbnails

06-13-2017, 06:48 PM	#20
Ricci1165 User Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Central Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 28 Thanked 33 Times in 19 Posts	Two more More on next page...... Attached Thumbnails