LP.08 with sear safety

Blind Hog · 06-19-2010, 01:01 PM

For my first post to the Luger Forum, thought perhaps the members would be interested in this 1917 dated LP.08 with sear safety.
Serial number is 2692l (L), no grip (Police) markings. Magazine (7225e) does not match, all parts of pistol match.
Click on images for higher resolution.

Norme · 06-19-2010, 01:27 PM

Hi Francis, Welcome to the forum. Thanks for showing your very interesting LP08. I, for one, have never seen one fitted with a sear safety. Regards, Norm

drbuster · 06-19-2010, 03:59 PM

Photographic proof that just about anything can happen with respect to lugers!

sheepherder · 06-19-2010, 04:46 PM

It also doesn't seem to have the notch in the receiver for the rear sight blade...Perhaps the 1917's didn't have them???

Blind Hog · 06-19-2010, 05:22 PM

Good afternoon Rich,

I assume this is the 'notch' you refer to. Yes, it is there on this 1917. I do not know if it is on other 1917's.

If you need more photos or specific views, I will gladly furnish.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-19-2010, 07:40 PM

Gentlemen, The sight notch, it is on all original Artillery Lugers, the sight will not-can not lay flat without it.

Like Norm, I cannot remember seeing an Artillery pistol with the sear safety. Can you show the bottom of the rivet? The safety is in the way..
Thanks

A very interesting pistol and in fine condition!

Welcome to the Forum! Nice first posting!

Jerry Burney

Blind Hog · 06-19-2010, 10:08 PM

Thank you Jerry,

Will take some photos of the rivet tomorrow. Until this one came along, I also had not encountered an LP08 with the sear safety.
Will try to get some high resolution extreme close ups. The pups got ahold of my Mavica and did a number on it. Put a major scratch in the lens, that causes a flare with certain angles and light.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-19-2010, 10:21 PM

Francis, I hade several Mavica cameras..they were really good ones! I finally got a Fuji.

Jerry Burney

Blind Hog · 06-19-2010, 10:45 PM

Jerry, the old Mavica's were pretty good cameras. The one that I have seems to be my go to unit, a 1.3 mgpixel max and uses 3.5 floppy disks. It is so simple, kind of like me.
I have several more up to date units, such as Fuji Finepix and Nikon digital SLR. But the old Mavica is redneck user friendly, my kind of camera, the 'Kodak Brownie' of digitals.

sheepherder · 06-20-2010, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blind Hog

Good afternoon Rich,

I assume this is the 'notch' you refer to. Yes, it is there on this 1917.

Thanks for correcting me! The side pic didn't show it...

I like Arty's, and this one looks pretty nice. The proofs show up exceptionally well (I copied that pic for future reference).

While others may already know, I don't...Why is the presence of a sear safety (indicating a police use of this particular Luger) such a rare occurrence??? Why wouldn't the police make use of an Artillery Luger??? (Or a Navy, or a 7.65mm commercial, etc)...

Mauser720 · 06-20-2010, 08:15 AM

Hi Postino -

I can't answer your question; however, somewhere I do remember seeing a photograph of police officers, and one of them was indeed carrying an LP-08.

George Anderson · 06-20-2010, 08:44 AM

This is the second one that I have seen.

Edward Tinker · 06-20-2010, 10:47 AM

Francis, now it won't be a surprise for our book

lugerholsterrepair · 06-20-2010, 11:18 AM

While others may already know, I don't...Why is the presence of a sear safety (indicating a police use of this particular Luger) such a rare occurrence??? Why wouldn't the police make use of an Artillery Luger??? (Or a Navy, or a 7.65mm commercial, etc)...

The simple answer is standardazation. The Police were training a hundred thousand new Police...Training is better served with the standard pistols. The 4" was easier to carry. The Artillery was also banned by the Allies. Both the Artillery and the civilian carbine were meant to be used with stocks. Without a stock they are somewhat awkward.

I suspect the Artillery was a carryover from the Friecorps. They were pretty popular with the fighters of Communists.

Jerry Burney

Blind Hog · 06-20-2010, 12:11 PM

Ed,

I am truly sorry and embarrassed

. It was one of those senior moments and I was bored to death and I did not really want to mow the grass, help Kate around the house or such. At least it will be a surprise to those that do not participate in these Forums.

I guess I do owe Jerry the courtesy of a reply and requested photos of the rivet detail.

Edward Tinker · 06-20-2010, 12:19 PM

oh, don't be embarrassed, you had shown it years ago at Jan's forum, that is how I rememberd "someone" had one!

And this will whet the appetite of some folks hopefully

Ed

lugerholsterrepair · 06-20-2010, 12:23 PM

Francis, Many thanks! Beautiful photo's..great detail. The craftsmanship of this era never fails to amaze me. Beautifully applied steel rivet. Textbook.

I take it this presentation was to be included in Ed's Police book? I look forward to it.

Jerry Burney

Edward Tinker · 06-20-2010, 12:40 PM

It will be, perhaps not in such detail

For those wondering why Jerry asked to see the underside of the sear safety, well...

Don M · 06-22-2010, 11:58 AM

For what it's worth, this Luger is pictured on p. 190 of HWIS.

ratdog · 07-20-2010, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

For those wondering why Jerry asked to see the underside of the sear safety, well...

Meaning what?!?!?!?!?! A fake or legit..................

06-19-2010, 01:01 PM	#1
Blind Hog User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina & North Carolina, Cape Hatteras, Outer Banks--Live on a sandbar, 30 miles out in ocean. Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	LP.08 with sear safety For my first post to the Luger Forum, thought perhaps the members would be interested in this 1917 dated LP.08 with sear safety. Serial number is 2692l (L), no grip (Police) markings. Magazine (7225e) does not match, all parts of pistol match. Click on images for higher resolution. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Francis Blind Hog aka: VIS35 "Even a Blind Hog sometimes finds an acorn" Last edited by Blind Hog; 06-20-2010 at 01:59 PM. Reason: forgot to include magazine serial

06-19-2010, 04:46 PM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	It also doesn't seem to have the notch in the receiver for the rear sight blade...Perhaps the 1917's didn't have them??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

06-19-2010, 05:22 PM	#5
Blind Hog User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina & North Carolina, Cape Hatteras, Outer Banks--Live on a sandbar, 30 miles out in ocean. Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Good afternoon Rich, I assume this is the 'notch' you refer to. Yes, it is there on this 1917. I do not know if it is on other 1917's. If you need more photos or specific views, I will gladly furnish. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Francis Blind Hog aka: VIS35 "Even a Blind Hog sometimes finds an acorn"

06-19-2010, 07:40 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Gentlemen, The sight notch, it is on all original Artillery Lugers, the sight will not-can not lay flat without it. Like Norm, I cannot remember seeing an Artillery pistol with the sear safety. Can you show the bottom of the rivet? The safety is in the way.. Thanks A very interesting pistol and in fine condition! Welcome to the Forum! Nice first posting! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-19-2010, 10:08 PM	#7
Blind Hog User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina & North Carolina, Cape Hatteras, Outer Banks--Live on a sandbar, 30 miles out in ocean. Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thank you Jerry, Will take some photos of the rivet tomorrow. Until this one came along, I also had not encountered an LP08 with the sear safety. Will try to get some high resolution extreme close ups. The pups got ahold of my Mavica and did a number on it. Put a major scratch in the lens, that causes a flare with certain angles and light. __________________ Francis Blind Hog aka: VIS35 "Even a Blind Hog sometimes finds an acorn"

06-19-2010, 01:27 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	Hi Francis, Welcome to the forum. Thanks for showing your very interesting LP08. I, for one, have never seen one fitted with a sear safety. Regards, Norm

06-19-2010, 03:59 PM	#3
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Photographic proof that just about anything can happen with respect to lugers!

06-19-2010, 10:21 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Francis, I hade several Mavica cameras..they were really good ones! I finally got a Fuji. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-19-2010, 10:45 PM	#9
Blind Hog User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina & North Carolina, Cape Hatteras, Outer Banks--Live on a sandbar, 30 miles out in ocean. Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Jerry, the old Mavica's were pretty good cameras. The one that I have seems to be my go to unit, a 1.3 mgpixel max and uses 3.5 floppy disks. It is so simple, kind of like me. I have several more up to date units, such as Fuji Finepix and Nikon digital SLR. But the old Mavica is redneck user friendly, my kind of camera, the 'Kodak Brownie' of digitals. __________________ Francis Blind Hog aka: VIS35 "Even a Blind Hog sometimes finds an acorn"

06-20-2010, 08:15 AM	#11
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	Hi Postino - I can't answer your question; however, somewhere I do remember seeing a photograph of police officers, and one of them was indeed carrying an LP-08. __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

06-20-2010, 08:44 AM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	This is the second one that I have seen.

06-20-2010, 10:47 AM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Francis, now it won't be a surprise for our book

06-20-2010, 11:18 AM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	While others may already know, I don't...Why is the presence of a sear safety (indicating a police use of this particular Luger) such a rare occurrence??? Why wouldn't the police make use of an Artillery Luger??? (Or a Navy, or a 7.65mm commercial, etc)... The simple answer is standardazation. The Police were training a hundred thousand new Police...Training is better served with the standard pistols. The 4" was easier to carry. The Artillery was also banned by the Allies. Both the Artillery and the civilian carbine were meant to be used with stocks. Without a stock they are somewhat awkward. I suspect the Artillery was a carryover from the Friecorps. They were pretty popular with the fighters of Communists. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-20-2010, 12:11 PM	#15
Blind Hog User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina & North Carolina, Cape Hatteras, Outer Banks--Live on a sandbar, 30 miles out in ocean. Posts: 37 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ed, I am truly sorry and embarrassed . It was one of those senior moments and I was bored to death and I did not really want to mow the grass, help Kate around the house or such. At least it will be a surprise to those that do not participate in these Forums. I guess I do owe Jerry the courtesy of a reply and requested photos of the rivet detail. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Francis Blind Hog aka: VIS35 "Even a Blind Hog sometimes finds an acorn"

06-20-2010, 12:19 PM	#16
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	oh, don't be embarrassed, you had shown it years ago at Jan's forum, that is how I rememberd "someone" had one! And this will whet the appetite of some folks hopefully Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-20-2010, 12:23 PM	#17
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Francis, Many thanks! Beautiful photo's..great detail. The craftsmanship of this era never fails to amaze me. Beautifully applied steel rivet. Textbook. I take it this presentation was to be included in Ed's Police book? I look forward to it. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-20-2010, 12:40 PM	#18
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	It will be, perhaps not in such detail For those wondering why Jerry asked to see the underside of the sear safety, well... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-22-2010, 11:58 AM	#19
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	For what it's worth, this Luger is pictured on p. 190 of HWIS. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com