1900 american eagle with original ideal stock

Sergio Natali · 03-09-2013, 09:07 AM

This is one of my best pieces., I wonder if one of our Luger experts would be able to tell me more about it.

Edward Tinker · 03-09-2013, 10:02 AM

Lovely

show close ups of the markings on the 1900 / full left / full right / close up of stock

ed

Sergio Natali · 03-09-2013, 02:42 PM

I've not got any better photos, but tomorrow I'll find the time to fiddle with my camera and I'll post a few more pictures.

Sergio Natali · 03-29-2013, 03:57 PM

I managed to take some photos of my beauty, sorry to keep you waiting but recently I've not had much spare time.

Edward Tinker · 03-29-2013, 04:01 PM

Well, its a 1900 American Eagle, can't make out the serial number.

And the Ideal stock is way cool to have

lugersrkewl · 03-29-2013, 04:11 PM

7284? why does it have extra screw in the grips? for snugness?
very nice pistol and wow on the stock.

sheepherder · 03-29-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lugersrkewl

7284? why does it have extra screw in the grips?

To hold the wood to the [steel] backing plate [where stock attaches]. (No gripframe lug).

Sergio Natali · 03-30-2013, 06:28 AM

Postino is right, and about the serial number I realize is not that clear, anyway it's 7234

Lugerdoc · 03-31-2013, 08:49 AM

Your #7234 M1900 AE, was made soon after the run of 1000 of these for the US military test (6100-7100 approximately). It's possible, if your luger is not stamped "Germany" on the front of the frame, and the TD lever is serialized on the flat, rather than the bottom, your luger may have also gone to the US military order. THe US made IDEAL Corp stocks were first patented in 1910, and were a popular addition to these early non-stock luger pistols. TH

Ron Wood · 03-31-2013, 01:17 PM

That is one of the better condition Ideal stocks that I have seen. The leather is in much better than average condition. It has to be in the top end of surviving examples. Congratulations on an excellent piece.
As Tom (Lugerdoc) has mentioned, your gun is very close to the US Test Trials serial number range. I am relatively sure it does not have a GERMANY export stamp as all of the examples in the approximate 6000-8000 serial number range do not have this stamp. It is my opinion that any serial number above 7200 is very unlikely to have actually been involved in the trials but we probably will never know.
Thank you for sharing this excellent "rig"!
Ron

Sergio Natali · 04-04-2013, 12:41 PM

Yes I confirm there is no GERMANY written anywhere. Thanks a lot for your opinions.

Ron Wood · 04-04-2013, 01:11 PM

Sergio,
The serial number of your exellent 1900 American Eagle was reported to me by Sam Costanzo years ago. It is interesting that it now resides in Italy. I looked at your album...you have a very nice collection! Could you please provide some additional photos and information about your 1900 Swiss?
Thank you,
Ron

Sergio Natali · 04-05-2013, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Sergio,
The serial number of your exellent 1900 American Eagle was reported to me by Sam Costanzo years ago. It is interesting that it now resides in Italy. I looked at your album...you have a very nice collection! Could you please provide some additional photos and information about your 1900 Swiss?
Thank you,
Ron

Thanks but I'm only a very very small Luger collector, I used to have some P.08 but last year (sadly) one by one I sold them all as I was fed up to have "cheap collectible". In fact as you probably know here in Italy it's illegal to own 9 Parabellum caliber guns, so even the most scarce and expensive Imperial Navy Luger before being put on the market has got to be "mutilated" in the chamber to change the caliber to 9x21 IMI. So in theory the "real collectible value" in Italy of any P.08 is very close to zero!

LU1900 · 04-05-2013, 07:43 AM

Any chance , the law change ?
Same problem in France for rifle , but a new law for the end year come to stop that .

Sergio Natali · 04-05-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LU1900

Any chance , the law change ?
Same problem in France for rifle , but a new law for the end year come to stop that .

Very unlikely

LU1900 · 04-05-2013, 08:17 AM

A shame like in my country !!
Stupids politics !!

John Sabato · 04-05-2013, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LU1900

A shame like in my country !!
Stupids politics !!

Unfortunately, Stupid politics are not limited to just your country!

Douglas Jr. · 04-05-2013, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by John Sabato

Unfortunately, Stupid politics are not limited to just your country!

"Stupid politics" is redundancy.
In fact, it is an universal issue. I think this is what they called "globalization".

And congratulaions for you excellent Luger and Ideal Stock. Really a excellent rig and a highlight in any collection.

Douglas

skeeter4206 · 04-05-2013, 11:44 PM

Beautiful 1900 AE luger. Looking at the backside of your handgrip I am curious. This is the first ideal stock I have seen good pictures of.

I know the later P08 lugers have a stock lug on the backside of the grip. I dont see one on yours.

Being a 1900 I know they have the grip safety on the handle, is this the reason there is no stock lug on these earlier style lugers? And also how exactly does it attach to the grip?

Sergio Natali · 04-06-2013, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by skeeter4206

Beautiful 1900 AE luger. Looking at the backside of your handgrip I am curious. This is the first ideal stock I have seen good pictures of.

I know the later P08 lugers have a stock lug on the backside of the grip. I dont see one on yours.

Being a 1900 I know they have the grip safety on the handle, is this the reason there is no stock lug on these earlier style lugers? And also how exactly does it attach to the grip?

I see it's completely different from the usual stock grips of the other Lugers, in fact if you notice at the backside of the grip you can see that there are two little slots made for the Ideal Stock

03-09-2013, 09:07 AM	#1
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	1900 american eagle with original ideal stock This is one of my best pieces., I wonder if one of our Luger experts would be able to tell me more about it. Attached Thumbnails

03-09-2013, 10:02 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Lovely show close ups of the markings on the 1900 / full left / full right / close up of stock ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-29-2013, 03:57 PM	#4
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	photos of the 1900 AMERICAN EAGLE WITH IDEAL STOCK I managed to take some photos of my beauty, sorry to keep you waiting but recently I've not had much spare time. Attached Thumbnails

03-31-2013, 08:49 AM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Your #7234 M1900 AE, was made soon after the run of 1000 of these for the US military test (6100-7100 approximately). It's possible, if your luger is not stamped "Germany" on the front of the frame, and the TD lever is serialized on the flat, rather than the bottom, your luger may have also gone to the US military order. THe US made IDEAL Corp stocks were first patented in 1910, and were a popular addition to these early non-stock luger pistols. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-31-2013, 01:17 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	That is one of the better condition Ideal stocks that I have seen. The leather is in much better than average condition. It has to be in the top end of surviving examples. Congratulations on an excellent piece. As Tom (Lugerdoc) has mentioned, your gun is very close to the US Test Trials serial number range. I am relatively sure it does not have a GERMANY export stamp as all of the examples in the approximate 6000-8000 serial number range do not have this stamp. It is my opinion that any serial number above 7200 is very unlikely to have actually been involved in the trials but we probably will never know. Thank you for sharing this excellent "rig"! Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-09-2013, 02:42 PM	#3
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I've not got any better photos, but tomorrow I'll find the time to fiddle with my camera and I'll post a few more pictures.

03-29-2013, 04:01 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Well, its a 1900 American Eagle, can't make out the serial number. And the Ideal stock is way cool to have

03-29-2013, 04:11 PM	#6
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	7284? why does it have extra screw in the grips? for snugness? very nice pistol and wow on the stock.

03-30-2013, 06:28 AM	#8
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Postino is right, and about the serial number I realize is not that clear, anyway it's 7234

04-04-2013, 12:41 PM	#11
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Yes I confirm there is no GERMANY written anywhere. Thanks a lot for your opinions.

04-04-2013, 01:11 PM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Sergio, The serial number of your exellent 1900 American Eagle was reported to me by Sam Costanzo years ago. It is interesting that it now resides in Italy. I looked at your album...you have a very nice collection! Could you please provide some additional photos and information about your 1900 Swiss? Thank you, Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction Last edited by Ron Wood; 04-04-2013 at 09:02 PM.

04-05-2013, 07:43 AM	#14
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 900 Thanks: 35 Thanked 461 Times in 193 Posts	Any chance , the law change ? Same problem in France for rifle , but a new law for the end year come to stop that . __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

04-05-2013, 08:17 AM	#16
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 900 Thanks: 35 Thanked 461 Times in 193 Posts	A shame like in my country !! Stupids politics !! __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

04-05-2013, 11:44 PM	#19
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	Beautiful 1900 AE luger. Looking at the backside of your handgrip I am curious. This is the first ideal stock I have seen good pictures of. I know the later P08 lugers have a stock lug on the backside of the grip. I dont see one on yours. Being a 1900 I know they have the grip safety on the handle, is this the reason there is no stock lug on these earlier style lugers? And also how exactly does it attach to the grip?