Find History For Your Imperial Luger~~

cirelaw · 10-30-2013, 10:07 AM

George Anderson sold me a DWM matching artillery that I could track back including a pictures of its unit and also individuals themselves. A great source is Google 'images'. I mearly searched the unit and came up with these images and more. Also it can be researched in this site ~~~~ https://archive.org/stream/histories...ge/n5/mode/2up And an alternate https://archive.org/details/historiesoftwohu00unit Also a complete history. http://www.pals.org.uk/ir169_e1.htm Every luger had and still has its own story! Some are eraced by time however many give clues to their individual past and continued living personality. It is so rewarding to find at least part of its' former life and history and will no doubt appreciate its' value and interest!! I don't believe there are no other firearms with such vintage or beauty! Its an honor to own and more to share with our fellow collectors those who understand the true worth! Ps Thank you all for your assistance and continued patience~~~Eric

cirelaw · 10-30-2013, 11:46 AM

Storys of the 169th in front line at the Battle of the Sommes http://www.pals.org.uk/lais_e.htm And a complete index between the British and German http://www.pals.org.uk/sitemap.htm

Kursk43 · 10-31-2013, 09:40 PM

Eric, thanks much for posting your research on this fine artillery luger. These objects we collect have much more meaning when we can learn about their former owners. I did similar research on an '06 Navy. I plan to save your work here as I have a regimental stein from a Hornist (bugler) Just, 5th company, 8th Bad. Regt. 169. Interesting coincidence.
Nick

Sergio Natali · 11-01-2013, 04:58 AM

Eric, first of all I'd like to say thank you a lot for your efforts posting your researches.

I've only got a very small collection, but when I look at my guns, I often find myself to say that it's a real shame that they cannot talk, God knows how many pages of "real" history they could tell us.

cirelaw · 11-01-2013, 12:11 PM

Not to mentioned that half the worlds' population either owned one, shot one or was shot by our finest, surviving 2 world wars periods, Imperial, Weimer Nazi, post war several dictators. According to a study our luger are the most recognised firearm in the last hundred year. They will never become obsolete and new generations of collectors appear every year. There are hundreds of varieties, conditions, makes and model thus affording a new collector to their first luger purchase a nice correct pretty buy in at a relative small cost. In 1968 Charles Kenyan in 'lugers at Random' displayed close to 200 individual varieties! That was over 40 years ago!! Its said "bread eaten soon forgotten" First you can't eat lugers and don't fit in your wallet! I've never had any lose value. You will never forget your first and maybe like me I still cherish my first and far lasting, longer than any of my exwives! In an answer how many luger were made? Not Enough!!~Eric

cirelaw · 11-01-2013, 01:24 PM

George Anderson provided both the artillery, the 2 drums and a matching Baden pickelhaube. It wasn't till I actually held mine that I realise they weren't made of metal. I guess they were replaced by metal more familiar sometime during later during the later part of first world war. They are so fragile and can't believe any survived!!! This is by far the finest source on the subject! http://www.worldwar1.com/sfgph.htm ~~~

Geo99 · 11-02-2013, 12:26 AM

Eric,

So what is the hat made of? Is it leather?

What are the bright yellow/orange things on the sides?

thanks,
Geo

cirelaw · 11-02-2013, 07:21 AM

Believe or not leather. I can't imagine any making it through the harsh conditions and warfare!!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickelhaube

alanint · 11-02-2013, 07:41 AM

Most picklehaubs are leather. The exceptions are royal guards, ceremonial troops, etc. The different cockades on the sides show origen. The red, black, white is for Germany and the orange,yellow would be for the Baden region.
Chile still has hundreds of these which are worn at the cadet school. They are of original German manufacture and the only difference from an original officer's pickle (brass spike, trim and mailplate chinstrap) are the Chilean shield on the front and the color of the cockades. I have an example that also includes the rare horsehair plume.

DavidJayUden · 11-02-2013, 08:49 AM

I bought one as a kid, which I still have. At the time of purchase I paid and extra $15 or $25 for "rosettes", as I remember them called. Mine are the red, white, black ones.
My helmet is a spitting image of the one in the photos.
Out of curiousity, what is the current value of that one, if I might ask?
dju

roadkill1 · 11-07-2013, 02:36 PM

Eric:

A great post!! Thanks for your research, pictures and sites where we may find out more our unit marked Lugers.

Ron

cirelaw · 11-07-2013, 07:05 PM

Its easy , just search for example WW1 German artillery units and with one touch....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lery_regiments I wish we had searching ability in Law School back in 1981!

mystical_tutor · 11-07-2013, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Its easy , just search for example WW1 German artillery units and with one touch....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lery_regiments I wish we had searching ability in Law School back in 1981!

LOL... How often I have thought of that. I did my grad work (M.Div) in late 60s and the Seminary didn't even have internet. Even 30 years later the only thing I could get into in Korea was TELNET, using Archie and Veronica to read papers in the great European Universities. Never foreseeing the day when those files would be locked tighter than a drum....sigh.

You know what makes it the "good ol' days" don't you? A poor memory and a vivid imagination....

ithacaartist · 11-07-2013, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mystical_tutor

You know what makes it the "good ol' days" don't you? A poor memory and a vivid imagination....

And because they are GONE!

cirelaw · 11-08-2013, 05:25 PM

I located the original barracks of the Baden 169th artillery pictured above~~~Eric http://www.pals.org.uk/ir169_e2.htm

cirelaw · 11-08-2013, 05:59 PM

Descibes the battle with the British 9th and our 169th infantry at the Battle of the Somme in 1916~~ http://94.195.153.42/History/WW1/Acc...nPals/Pals.htm

cirelaw · 11-08-2013, 06:14 PM

Finally the end to both sides!http://www.greatwar.co.uk/places/somme-cemeteries.htm and http://www.greatwar.co.uk/somme/memo...field-park.htm Research your favorite unit marked gun! Its like a luger mystery novel that will add to your excitement, increase its' value and restore its' life and history that had been lost over a century ago! No other firearm can possibly ever claim the same! ~~~Eric

10-30-2013, 10:07 AM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Find History For Your Imperial Luger~~ George Anderson sold me a DWM matching artillery that I could track back including a pictures of its unit and also individuals themselves. A great source is Google 'images'. I mearly searched the unit and came up with these images and more. Also it can be researched in this site ~~~~ https://archive.org/stream/histories...ge/n5/mode/2up And an alternate https://archive.org/details/historiesoftwohu00unit Also a complete history. http://www.pals.org.uk/ir169_e1.htm Every luger had and still has its own story! Some are eraced by time however many give clues to their individual past and continued living personality. It is so rewarding to find at least part of its' former life and history and will no doubt appreciate its' value and interest!! I don't believe there are no other firearms with such vintage or beauty! Its an honor to own and more to share with our fellow collectors those who understand the true worth! Ps Thank you all for your assistance and continued patience~~~Eric Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

11-01-2013, 04:58 AM	#4
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Eric, first of all I'd like to say thank you a lot for your efforts posting your researches. I've only got a very small collection, but when I look at my guns, I often find myself to say that it's a real shame that they cannot talk, God knows how many pages of "real" history they could tell us. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-01-2013, 01:24 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	The Matching Head Gear! George Anderson provided both the artillery, the 2 drums and a matching Baden pickelhaube. It wasn't till I actually held mine that I realise they weren't made of metal. I guess they were replaced by metal more familiar sometime during later during the later part of first world war. They are so fragile and can't believe any survived!!! This is by far the finest source on the subject! http://www.worldwar1.com/sfgph.htm ~~~ Attached Thumbnails

11-02-2013, 12:26 AM	#7
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 396 Thanks: 100 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	Eric, So what is the hat made of? Is it leather? What are the bright yellow/orange things on the sides? thanks, Geo __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

11-08-2013, 06:14 PM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Finally the end to both sides!http://www.greatwar.co.uk/places/somme-cemeteries.htm and http://www.greatwar.co.uk/somme/memo...field-park.htm Research your favorite unit marked gun! Its like a luger mystery novel that will add to your excitement, increase its' value and restore its' life and history that had been lost over a century ago! No other firearm can possibly ever claim the same! ~~~Eric Attached Thumbnails

10-30-2013, 11:46 AM	#2
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Storys of the 169th in front line at the Battle of the Sommes http://www.pals.org.uk/lais_e.htm And a complete index between the British and German http://www.pals.org.uk/sitemap.htm

10-31-2013, 09:40 PM	#3
Kursk43 User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Eric, thanks much for posting your research on this fine artillery luger. These objects we collect have much more meaning when we can learn about their former owners. I did similar research on an '06 Navy. I plan to save your work here as I have a regimental stein from a Hornist (bugler) Just, 5th company, 8th Bad. Regt. 169. Interesting coincidence. Nick

11-01-2013, 12:11 PM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Not to mentioned that half the worlds' population either owned one, shot one or was shot by our finest, surviving 2 world wars periods, Imperial, Weimer Nazi, post war several dictators. According to a study our luger are the most recognised firearm in the last hundred year. They will never become obsolete and new generations of collectors appear every year. There are hundreds of varieties, conditions, makes and model thus affording a new collector to their first luger purchase a nice correct pretty buy in at a relative small cost. In 1968 Charles Kenyan in 'lugers at Random' displayed close to 200 individual varieties! That was over 40 years ago!! Its said "bread eaten soon forgotten" First you can't eat lugers and don't fit in your wallet! I've never had any lose value. You will never forget your first and maybe like me I still cherish my first and far lasting, longer than any of my exwives! In an answer how many luger were made? Not Enough!!~Eric

11-02-2013, 07:21 AM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Believe or not leather. I can't imagine any making it through the harsh conditions and warfare!!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickelhaube

11-02-2013, 07:41 AM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Most picklehaubs are leather. The exceptions are royal guards, ceremonial troops, etc. The different cockades on the sides show origen. The red, black, white is for Germany and the orange,yellow would be for the Baden region. Chile still has hundreds of these which are worn at the cadet school. They are of original German manufacture and the only difference from an original officer's pickle (brass spike, trim and mailplate chinstrap) are the Chilean shield on the front and the color of the cockades. I have an example that also includes the rare horsehair plume.

11-02-2013, 08:49 AM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I bought one as a kid, which I still have. At the time of purchase I paid and extra $15 or $25 for "rosettes", as I remember them called. Mine are the red, white, black ones. My helmet is a spitting image of the one in the photos. Out of curiousity, what is the current value of that one, if I might ask? dju

11-07-2013, 02:36 PM	#11
roadkill1 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 127 Thanks: 166 Thanked 129 Times in 63 Posts	Eric: A great post!! Thanks for your research, pictures and sites where we may find out more our unit marked Lugers. Ron

11-07-2013, 07:05 PM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Its easy , just search for example WW1 German artillery units and with one touch....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lery_regiments I wish we had searching ability in Law School back in 1981!

11-08-2013, 05:25 PM	#15
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I located the original barracks of the Baden 169th artillery pictured above~~~Eric http://www.pals.org.uk/ir169_e2.htm

11-08-2013, 05:59 PM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Descibes the battle with the British 9th and our 169th infantry at the Battle of the Somme in 1916~~ http://94.195.153.42/History/WW1/Acc...nPals/Pals.htm