Interarms P08 4 inch

SteveM · 04-18-2012, 08:11 PM

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...da2c05c4d4c452

Glad I got one when I did...

ithacaartist · 04-18-2012, 08:36 PM

The 06/70 is my favorite of the post war Mausers. My 29/70 shooter is one ugly mug, with its Swiss style grip, next to the graceful 06 style!
I do believe way fewer of these were made, but all the retailers seem to know how to twist the blade after they stick it in. I'm personally crazy enough that I might cave at maybe $1100 for one as new as this.

Steve, did you buy one in the 70' or something? Wishin' I had...

DP

SteveM · 04-19-2012, 10:43 AM

Unfortunately no, I just got the short barrel last year. Had been looking for one for quite awhile so couldn't pass it up. I keep a list of the serial numbers that I observe for these and there aren't that many of the short barrels over here.

Bluff Lake 36 · 04-19-2012, 11:15 AM

PM sent

rhuff · 04-19-2012, 03:43 PM

Now that is a stiff price. I don't believe that I would want it that badly, but most likely there is someone out there that does. I have a Mauser Parabellum with the P-8 frame(06/73) and a 6 in bbl that I really enjoy. It took a little "tuning" to get everything running smoothly, but I made it.

Vlim · 04-19-2012, 04:15 PM

The P08 frame version was introduced at the end of 1972, so we describe it as the 06/73

Mauser had problems getting different barrel lenghts to function properly in the beginning, so they tended to focus on the barrel lenghts that did work. The 6" barrels gave less problems.

There are actually 3 frame variations:
Variation 1: 29/70, Swiss style with Swiss opening curve.
Variation 2: 29/70, Swiss style with curve moved slightly to the rear.
Variation 3: 06/73, P08 style with same curve as variation 2.

(the opening curve is the shape of the toggle ramps or 'frame ears').

Here is one that never went to the USA. A 9mm Interarms contract that was made in 1972, proofed in Ulm in 1979 for sale on the European market. It ended up spending its entire life in the box. Curiously, the box also contained Sam Cummings' business card.

ithacaartist · 04-19-2012, 05:09 PM

Gerben, how 'bout a quick pic series of the frame variations for a sde-by-side comparison? Interesting that there were 2 variants of the 29/70, and now I'm curious as to which mine belongs... Is there a difference in this curve between the 06/29 and the all Swiss Bern?

DP

Vlim · 04-19-2012, 05:16 PM

Yes, there is. The original 29/70 frame was a one-on-one copy of the Swiss 06/29 lay-out. Mauser overlooked the fact that the Swiss had played with the opening curve, tuning it to their standard barrel length and .30 luger army ammunition.

Mauser needed to produce different barrel lengths in different calibers, causing functional problems. They did some comparative tests with Mauser and DWM p08 pistols, and found that the Swiss had altered the curve which caused the toggle to break at a different moment.

They discovered this when the first 1000 or so frames were already being produced. The decision was made to reserve those frames for the .30 luger version and to mark the remainder with a heart shaped symbol just below the safety lever, so that they would not be used in other variations.

The top comparison was used to identify the differences between a pre-series Mauser Parabellum (bottom) and a 29/70 - 06/73 transitional pistol. So the other differences can be disregarded. The difference marked with the arrow is the one we are discussing here.

SteveM · 04-20-2012, 07:46 AM

Gerben,interesting info, thanks for posting.

rhuff · 04-20-2012, 05:11 PM

Thanks for the information. I just keep learning more and more about the different variations of the post war Mauser. Now, if I can just remember it!!

CJS57 · 04-20-2012, 08:28 PM

So how much is this gun worth at a fair price! I have one just like Simpson's, a mint, unfired and new P-08 in the box with everything as pictured, except mine is missing the owner's manual and test target, but it is new and perfect and dated 73 on the antler proof. So how much is a fair price? I already have the gun. I paid $1200 (so far!) from non-Luger friends, but promised to research and add $ if needed to the price, now I saw this post and the Simpon gun so what is a fair price for myself and my friends?

Vlim · 04-21-2012, 05:14 AM

Hi, do you have an Interarms version or a European version? The interarms versions normally don't have Ulm/antler proofs (just the FBM), but there is a small batch of pistols that were ordered by Interarms at a later date. Mauser modified European pistols for this contract.

I think $1200 is a more than fair price for the set you describe. Manuals are not hard to find, a pity about the test target, though.

CJS57 · 04-21-2012, 06:36 AM

I don't know how to tell Euro from American? It does have a big Interarms logo on the right side of the barrel extension. I can post pictures if needed.

Vlim · 04-21-2012, 07:58 AM

Hi, it's quite simple:

Euro pistols have no Interarms marking on the right side of the receiver.
US export versions have the FBM proof.

glock30 · 05-11-2012, 02:09 PM

Vlim, Is mine a 06/29?? 10.002098??? yes right?

glock30 · 05-11-2012, 02:19 PM

I don't know where these people get these prices... 1,900. I think that is high. But what do I know. 1,100?? 1,200?

b0xcrash · 05-11-2012, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glock30

I don't know where these people get these prices... 1,900. I think that is high. But what do I know. 1,100?? 1,200?

Especially in this economy; it does not work just because you "think" or "feel" it should be worth more or some schmuck on ebay paid x amount, or because you have more than its value in it, then you sell it for more and accept no less.
Everything and everyone is doing this and its starting to seriously upset me that people are ok ripping off one another.

Vlim · 05-11-2012, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Vlim, Is mine a 06/29?? 10.002098??? yes right?

It's a 29/70. The 1970 style, modelled after the 1929 Swiss style.

Ron Wood · 05-11-2012, 03:53 PM

Over the years I have owned two of these 06/73 pieces with the P08 frame. I even acquired a set of partially finished Mauser repro Cartridge Counter grips with the thought of making a display mock up of a CC. Never got around to it and passed the Lugers on to other collectors. Just couldn't bring myself to keeping modern replicas. Probably short-sighted on my part but I am sure the new owners are much happier than I would be. I still have the repro grips (lack the plastic/eisenglas inserts with the index numbers). Anyone interested in them? I can post photos and place them in the "for sale" section if there is serious interest. Cost will be less than $100.

SteveM · 05-11-2012, 07:37 PM

There was one on GB that sold for $2100. 06/73 4 inch 9mm. It was unusual in the fact that it was dated and had the FBM proof. Something else to consider is that the numbers of the 06/73 P08 4 inch are very low. At least that is what I am finding with the data that I have collected.

04-18-2012, 08:11 PM	#1
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Interarms P08 4 inch http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...da2c05c4d4c452 Glad I got one when I did...

04-19-2012, 03:43 PM	#5
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 2,686 Thanked 958 Times in 704 Posts	Now that is a stiff price. I don't believe that I would want it that badly, but most likely there is someone out there that does. I have a Mauser Parabellum with the P-8 frame(06/73) and a 6 in bbl that I really enjoy. It took a little "tuning" to get everything running smoothly, but I made it. Last edited by rhuff; 04-20-2012 at 05:05 PM.

04-19-2012, 04:15 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	The P08 frame version was introduced at the end of 1972, so we describe it as the 06/73 Mauser had problems getting different barrel lenghts to function properly in the beginning, so they tended to focus on the barrel lenghts that did work. The 6" barrels gave less problems. There are actually 3 frame variations: Variation 1: 29/70, Swiss style with Swiss opening curve. Variation 2: 29/70, Swiss style with curve moved slightly to the rear. Variation 3: 06/73, P08 style with same curve as variation 2. (the opening curve is the shape of the toggle ramps or 'frame ears'). Here is one that never went to the USA. A 9mm Interarms contract that was made in 1972, proofed in Ulm in 1979 for sale on the European market. It ended up spending its entire life in the box. Curiously, the box also contained Sam Cummings' business card. Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

04-19-2012, 05:16 PM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Yes, there is. The original 29/70 frame was a one-on-one copy of the Swiss 06/29 lay-out. Mauser overlooked the fact that the Swiss had played with the opening curve, tuning it to their standard barrel length and .30 luger army ammunition. Mauser needed to produce different barrel lengths in different calibers, causing functional problems. They did some comparative tests with Mauser and DWM p08 pistols, and found that the Swiss had altered the curve which caused the toggle to break at a different moment. They discovered this when the first 1000 or so frames were already being produced. The decision was made to reserve those frames for the .30 luger version and to mark the remainder with a heart shaped symbol just below the safety lever, so that they would not be used in other variations. The top comparison was used to identify the differences between a pre-series Mauser Parabellum (bottom) and a 29/70 - 06/73 transitional pistol. So the other differences can be disregarded. The difference marked with the arrow is the one we are discussing here. Attached Thumbnails

04-21-2012, 07:58 AM	#14
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Hi, it's quite simple: Euro pistols have no Interarms marking on the right side of the receiver. US export versions have the FBM proof. Attached Thumbnails

04-18-2012, 08:36 PM	#2
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,282 Thanks: 7,007 Thanked 2,476 Times in 1,319 Posts	The 06/70 is my favorite of the post war Mausers. My 29/70 shooter is one ugly mug, with its Swiss style grip, next to the graceful 06 style! I do believe way fewer of these were made, but all the retailers seem to know how to twist the blade after they stick it in. I'm personally crazy enough that I might cave at maybe $1100 for one as new as this. Steve, did you buy one in the 70' or something? Wishin' I had... DP

04-19-2012, 10:43 AM	#3
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Unfortunately no, I just got the short barrel last year. Had been looking for one for quite awhile so couldn't pass it up. I keep a list of the serial numbers that I observe for these and there aren't that many of the short barrels over here.

04-19-2012, 11:15 AM	#4
Bluff Lake 36 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Northern Wisconsin Posts: 205 Thanks: 0 Thanked 79 Times in 39 Posts	PM sent

04-19-2012, 05:09 PM	#7
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,282 Thanks: 7,007 Thanked 2,476 Times in 1,319 Posts	Gerben, how 'bout a quick pic series of the frame variations for a sde-by-side comparison? Interesting that there were 2 variants of the 29/70, and now I'm curious as to which mine belongs... Is there a difference in this curve between the 06/29 and the all Swiss Bern? DP

04-20-2012, 07:46 AM	#9
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Gerben,interesting info, thanks for posting.

04-20-2012, 05:11 PM	#10
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 2,686 Thanked 958 Times in 704 Posts	Thanks for the information. I just keep learning more and more about the different variations of the post war Mauser. Now, if I can just remember it!!

04-20-2012, 08:28 PM	#11
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	So how much is this gun worth at a fair price! I have one just like Simpson's, a mint, unfired and new P-08 in the box with everything as pictured, except mine is missing the owner's manual and test target, but it is new and perfect and dated 73 on the antler proof. So how much is a fair price? I already have the gun. I paid $1200 (so far!) from non-Luger friends, but promised to research and add $ if needed to the price, now I saw this post and the Simpon gun so what is a fair price for myself and my friends?

04-21-2012, 05:14 AM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Hi, do you have an Interarms version or a European version? The interarms versions normally don't have Ulm/antler proofs (just the FBM), but there is a small batch of pistols that were ordered by Interarms at a later date. Mauser modified European pistols for this contract. I think $1200 is a more than fair price for the set you describe. Manuals are not hard to find, a pity about the test target, though.

04-21-2012, 06:36 AM	#13
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	I don't know how to tell Euro from American? It does have a big Interarms logo on the right side of the barrel extension. I can post pictures if needed.

05-11-2012, 02:09 PM	#15
glock30 User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Obama LAND Posts: 206 Thanks: 18 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Vlim, Is mine a 06/29?? 10.002098??? yes right?

05-11-2012, 02:19 PM	#16
glock30 User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Obama LAND Posts: 206 Thanks: 18 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	I don't know where these people get these prices... 1,900. I think that is high. But what do I know. 1,100?? 1,200?

05-11-2012, 03:53 PM	#19
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Over the years I have owned two of these 06/73 pieces with the P08 frame. I even acquired a set of partially finished Mauser repro Cartridge Counter grips with the thought of making a display mock up of a CC. Never got around to it and passed the Lugers on to other collectors. Just couldn't bring myself to keeping modern replicas. Probably short-sighted on my part but I am sure the new owners are much happier than I would be. I still have the repro grips (lack the plastic/eisenglas inserts with the index numbers). Anyone interested in them? I can post photos and place them in the "for sale" section if there is serious interest. Cost will be less than $100. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-11-2012, 07:37 PM	#20
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	There was one on GB that sold for $2100. 06/73 4 inch 9mm. It was unusual in the fact that it was dated and had the FBM proof. Something else to consider is that the numbers of the 06/73 P08 4 inch are very low. At least that is what I am finding with the data that I have collected.