Luger Differences DWM vs Erfurt

cirelaw · 03-07-2018, 10:31 PM

Where DWM and Erfurt parts interchangeable? Make, model, year, finish? At the very least interchangeable mags! Why were some Erfurts marked and DWM not? Did they had a luger repaired doctor of did an owner have salvage parts from a fallen hero? What single part was most vulnerable to failure? How come were they given those cute little brass cleaning kit? What kind of lubricant if any was given to the troops?

Edward Tinker · 03-07-2018, 11:06 PM

Eric, do searches

You just asked twelve questions, some are in the FAQ

Ron Wood · 03-07-2018, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

...Why were some Erfurts marked and DWM not? Did they had a luger repaired doctor of did an owner have salvage parts from a fallen hero? Eric

Parts were interchangeable...they were made to specification by both DWM and Erfurt. I am not sure I understand your other questions...1) What markings are you asking about? 2) If by asking "did they had a luger repaired doctor" you mean was there a single individual that repaired DWM or Erfurt Lugers, the answer is no...there were the arsenal repair shops at Erfurt, Spandau and possibly other government depot arsenals, plus there were unit armorers at different levels of command that could do field repairs. Individual owners of non-government issue Lugers would have to rely on a gunsmith, or as you have alluded, cannibalize parts from other Lugers if they could find them. The only "fallen heroes" were the soldiers that died on both sides, the guns were only objects.

HerrKaiser · 03-08-2018, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Where DWM and Erfurt parts interchangeable? Make, model, year, finish? At the very least interchangeable mags! Why were some Erfurts marked and DWM not? Did they had a luger repaired doctor of did an owner have salvage parts from a fallen hero? What single part was most vulnerable to failure? How come were they given those cute little brass cleaning kit? What kind of lubricant if any was given to the troops?

I can at the very least tell you that Luger Magazines are supposed to be interchangeable across all makes, models, and variants that you or I will ever come across (the single .45 Luger being valued at $1 million and probably a similar pricetag for any of the few "baby lugers" in existence). That said, just because magazines are theoretically interchangeable doesn't mean that they all help the gun function the same. When lugers work, they work flawlessly. But to get them to that point often requires lots of fine tuning and/or all original parts (including magazines). Everything else you are asking is easily found on the FAQ section and in reading some of the many books about Lugers that are in circulation. Best of luck finding your answers to your questions!

cirelaw · 03-08-2018, 09:41 AM

Thank you both! Your knowledge is priceless! IE magazines and luger repairs! Eric

DonVoigt · 03-08-2018, 09:42 AM

"I can at the very least tell you that Luger Magazines are supposed to be interchangeable across all makes, models, and variants...."

Then I wonder why "they" felt it necessary to number military and police magazines to the pistol?

HerrKaiser · 03-08-2018, 09:57 AM

Like I said later on in the paragraph, they are supposed to be interchangeable and all will at least nominally fit into another luger. But that doesnt mean your luger will function properly with a non-matched/original magazine, somewhat similar to a body rejecting an organ transplant.

DavidJayUden · 03-08-2018, 10:16 AM

I'm guessing that when most P08 parts were originally manufactured, they were "interchangeable" with most other P08's. However the Luger, being a "fitted" pistol vs., for instance, a Glock, which is an "assembled" pistol, went thru extensive fitting on each part, was then numbered to that particular gun, and at that point may have become unsuited for use on another P08.
Just my $.02.
dju

cirelaw · 03-08-2018, 10:34 AM

There are allot of samples!

HerrKaiser · 03-08-2018, 11:24 AM

That right there looks like quite a bit of money and happiness on a table. My only Luger is an all matching commercial with un-numbered wood base magazine, which is original to that model of Luger. When I (very foolishly and luckily I did not have a part break) shot it, it had zero issues with feeding or firing, only issue was getting the holdopen to stay after I emptied the magazine (it would work fine when manually opening the action on an empty mag though).

George Anderson · 03-08-2018, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

"I can at the very least tell you that Luger Magazines are supposed to be interchangeable across all makes, models, and variants...."

Then I wonder why "they" felt it necessary to number military and police magazines to the pistol?

Accountability is the reason.

Ron Wood · 03-08-2018, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Accountability is the reason.

I get the impression that the police elevated bureaucracy to a very high level.

cirelaw · 03-08-2018, 06:56 PM

Krieghoff took it seriously~

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Luger Differences DWM vs Erfurt Where DWM and Erfurt parts interchangeable? Make, model, year, finish? At the very least interchangeable mags! Why were some Erfurts marked and DWM not? Did they had a luger repaired doctor of did an owner have salvage parts from a fallen hero? What single part was most vulnerable to failure? How come were they given those cute little brass cleaning kit? What kind of lubricant if any was given to the troops?

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,440 Thanked 4,348 Times in 2,038 Posts	"I can at the very least tell you that Luger Magazines are supposed to be interchangeable across all makes, models, and variants...." Then I wonder why "they" felt it necessary to number military and police magazines to the pistol? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	A Whole Lot Of Magazines! There are allot of samples! Attached Thumbnails

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Krieghoff took it seriously~ Attached Thumbnails

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Eric, do searches You just asked twelve questions, some are in the FAQ

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank you both! Your knowledge is priceless! IE magazines and luger repairs! Eric

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HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 804 Thanks: 752 Thanked 798 Times in 378 Posts	Like I said later on in the paragraph, they are supposed to be interchangeable and all will at least nominally fit into another luger. But that doesnt mean your luger will function properly with a non-matched/original magazine, somewhat similar to a body rejecting an organ transplant.

03-08-2018, 10:16 AM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I'm guessing that when most P08 parts were originally manufactured, they were "interchangeable" with most other P08's. However the Luger, being a "fitted" pistol vs., for instance, a Glock, which is an "assembled" pistol, went thru extensive fitting on each part, was then numbered to that particular gun, and at that point may have become unsuited for use on another P08. Just my $.02. dju

03-08-2018, 11:24 AM	#10
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 804 Thanks: 752 Thanked 798 Times in 378 Posts	That right there looks like quite a bit of money and happiness on a table. My only Luger is an all matching commercial with un-numbered wood base magazine, which is original to that model of Luger. When I (very foolishly and luckily I did not have a part break) shot it, it had zero issues with feeding or firing, only issue was getting the holdopen to stay after I emptied the magazine (it would work fine when manually opening the action on an empty mag though).