byfs worth more? - Page 2

byf43 · 05-26-2007, 06:11 AM

The byf's are also the last 08's to come out of the Mauser factory. To me that makes them attractive.

Frank · 05-26-2007, 10:55 AM

Hey Guys, just some more thoughts.

* How long was the troop build up before the Russian invasion?
* How long was the supply chain from Mauser to the troops?
* How large was the Luger stockpile?

If one were to ASSUME:

* The stockpile was short!
* The build up was 3 months!
* The supply chain was 3 months!

Then, the new troops heading for the Russian front in late March or early April 1941 were supplied with Lugers from late December 1940 or early January 1941. Granted, some troops already had pistols or were already near the Russian border (Poland) or were transferred from the already occupied countries.

No way to know what the real story is, but it's fun to speculate!!!

George Anderson · 05-26-2007, 12:32 PM

I don't think that there was any concern about or concentration of Lugers for Operation Barbarossa. The Germans were arming their forces both from within and with masses of captured weapons. The Mauser factory was still building P08's for export in 1941 and 1942.

383 magnum · 05-26-2007, 10:47 PM

I bought a copy of "Standard catalog of Luger" last week at the NRA National Firearms Museum. For each Luger listing it gives a rarity rating. The byfs are rated as uncommon. Maybe many did go to the Russian front.

Quentin · 05-27-2007, 01:19 AM

I wondered about that too when I saw byfs listed as "Uncommon" in the Standard Catalog of Luger. With the number originally produced you'd think Davis would have said "Common" instead. Frank's probably on to something there!

Dwight Gruber · 05-27-2007, 04:44 AM

Please read this review http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ghlight=aarron before putting too much stock in what is printed in The Standard Catalog of Luger. 126,000 byf 41 and 113,000 byf 42 cannot be considered "uncommon" in anybody's book.

--Dwight

George Anderson · 05-27-2007, 08:24 AM

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383 magnum · 05-27-2007, 08:44 AM

I wouldn't think they would be uncommon based upon the number of them that I see for sale on the internet, but maybe they are not as common as some of the other models.

Johnny C. Kitchens · 05-27-2007, 07:54 PM

239,000 Lugers might seem like a lot, but how many survived the war and if you spread those out amoung the Luger collectors and they begin to look a little uncommon...

Quentin · 05-28-2007, 01:19 AM

Well forgetting the book's errors, I still think Frank's on to something about the Russian front. For all we know the Russians now use byf receivers as tuning forks!

05-27-2007, 07:54 PM	#29
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	239,000 Lugers might seem like a lot, but how many survived the war and if you spread those out amoung the Luger collectors and they begin to look a little uncommon... __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

05-26-2007, 06:11 AM	#21
byf43 User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The byf's are also the last 08's to come out of the Mauser factory. To me that makes them attractive.

05-26-2007, 10:55 AM	#22
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hey Guys, just some more thoughts. * How long was the troop build up before the Russian invasion? * How long was the supply chain from Mauser to the troops? * How large was the Luger stockpile? If one were to ASSUME: * The stockpile was short! * The build up was 3 months! * The supply chain was 3 months! Then, the new troops heading for the Russian front in late March or early April 1941 were supplied with Lugers from late December 1940 or early January 1941. Granted, some troops already had pistols or were already near the Russian border (Poland) or were transferred from the already occupied countries. No way to know what the real story is, but it's fun to speculate!!!

05-26-2007, 12:32 PM	#23
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I don't think that there was any concern about or concentration of Lugers for Operation Barbarossa. The Germans were arming their forces both from within and with masses of captured weapons. The Mauser factory was still building P08's for export in 1941 and 1942.

05-26-2007, 10:47 PM	#24
383 magnum User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 120 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I bought a copy of "Standard catalog of Luger" last week at the NRA National Firearms Museum. For each Luger listing it gives a rarity rating. The byfs are rated as uncommon. Maybe many did go to the Russian front.

05-27-2007, 01:19 AM	#25
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	I wondered about that too when I saw byfs listed as "Uncommon" in the Standard Catalog of Luger. With the number originally produced you'd think Davis would have said "Common" instead. Frank's probably on to something there!

05-27-2007, 04:44 AM	#26
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	Please read this review http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ghlight=aarron before putting too much stock in what is printed in The Standard Catalog of Luger. 126,000 byf 41 and 113,000 byf 42 cannot be considered "uncommon" in anybody's book. --Dwight

05-27-2007, 08:24 AM	#27
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,769 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	bb

05-27-2007, 08:44 AM	#28
383 magnum User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 120 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I wouldn't think they would be uncommon based upon the number of them that I see for sale on the internet, but maybe they are not as common as some of the other models.

05-28-2007, 01:19 AM	#30
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Well forgetting the book's errors, I still think Frank's on to something about the Russian front. For all we know the Russians now use byf receivers as tuning forks!