Odd proofs on a DWM

08novice · 04-26-2011, 11:49 AM

I wonder if anyone would be able to ID these proofs for me? All I have on this gun is this photo and a shot of the toggle so we know its a DWM, but I do not have access to the date. Thanks very much for any help you may be able to offer.

Vlim · 04-26-2011, 12:15 PM

Hi, they are Weimar follow-ups of the old Imperial proofs.

Ron Smith · 04-26-2011, 12:19 PM

Hi Dave,

Those are Weimar era "Dove" and "Stick Eagle" (Buzzard) proofs found only on 1920 and 1921 production DWM Military and Police contract Lugers.

The Dove proofs look to be "bounce" or "Double" struck.

Ron

08novice · 04-26-2011, 12:57 PM

Thank you both very much for the help! I must say the image of those proofs is also a very big help. All the best. Dave

Dwight Gruber · 04-26-2011, 01:51 PM

If you look very closely you will see detail differences in the inspection stamps. The eagles on this gun are #148 in Costanzo--can't post a scan right now. They do not have the WaA4 underneath.

Ignore Costanzo's interpretation. These are assuredly a stamp held by a different inspector from the accustomed (bird)/WaA4 inspector. Along with the proof stamp, these marks indicate that the pistol is 1921 military production. It would be very useful to see the other markings on this pistol.

--Dwight

08novice · 04-27-2011, 11:52 AM

That is very useful info that you have all provided and I thank you. Regret that I am not able to get my hands on this pistol, we only had a few photos but no more with markings. You guys are all very generous and I am grateful. Dave

04-26-2011, 12:19 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Dave, Those are Weimar era "Dove" and "Stick Eagle" (Buzzard) proofs found only on 1920 and 1921 production DWM Military and Police contract Lugers. The Dove proofs look to be "bounce" or "Double" struck. Ron Attached Thumbnails __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

04-27-2011, 11:52 AM	#6
08novice User Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks to you all That is very useful info that you have all provided and I thank you. Regret that I am not able to get my hands on this pistol, we only had a few photos but no more with markings. You guys are all very generous and I am grateful. Dave

04-26-2011, 11:49 AM	#1
08novice User Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Odd proofs on a DWM I wonder if anyone would be able to ID these proofs for me? All I have on this gun is this photo and a shot of the toggle so we know its a DWM, but I do not have access to the date. Thanks very much for any help you may be able to offer. Attached Thumbnails

04-26-2011, 12:15 PM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Hi, they are Weimar follow-ups of the old Imperial proofs.

04-26-2011, 12:57 PM	#4
08novice User Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you both very much for the help! I must say the image of those proofs is also a very big help. All the best. Dave

04-26-2011, 01:51 PM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,889 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,281 Times in 423 Posts	If you look very closely you will see detail differences in the inspection stamps. The eagles on this gun are #148 in Costanzo--can't post a scan right now. They do not have the WaA4 underneath. Ignore Costanzo's interpretation. These are assuredly a stamp held by a different inspector from the accustomed (bird)/WaA4 inspector. Along with the proof stamp, these marks indicate that the pistol is 1921 military production. It would be very useful to see the other markings on this pistol. --Dwight